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‘It is impossible for regional countries to go back to the normalization formula that existed before October 7th’

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David Hearst, Middle East Eye Editor-in-Chief spoke to Harici. Hearst said that it is impossible for the countries in the region to go back to the normalization process with Israel, which was initiated during the Trump era, and it is now reverted to the Arab peace initiative which was one of the things that Saudi Arabia created in 2002.

David Hearst is the editor-in-chief and co-founder of the London-based Middle East Eye. He is a commentator and speaker on the region and analyst on Saudi Arabia. He was the Guardian’s foreign leader writer, and was correspondent in Russia, Europe, and Belfast. Hearst answered our questions on the Gaza war, the two-state solution, the possibility of war with Hezbollah and the role of regional actors.

Let’s start talking about the last massacre of Israel. 112 civilians were killed while they were expecting humanitarian aid. Do you think Israel’s attack in Gaza will increase pressure on Tel Aviv by the international community?

I would like to say “yes” but my brain says “no”, because so many massacres have happened over the last 5 months. It’s made the word meaningless. The massacres have become normalized in Gaza. If you look at the way, for instance, organizations like the BBC will report massacres, they will use the passive tense. They say “hundreds of Palestinians are dead” as if the bombs were coming from the cloud. As if actually, there was no agency involved in it. There were. Still less are they likely to repeat the idea that these Palestinians were actually targeted as they were searching for food. And we know that they are targeted. We know that absolutely nothing happens in Gaza without someone thinking about it, and with extremely accurate weapons, the accuracy of which, of course, America is helping Israel with. Your heart says “this has to stop” because we’re now over 30,000, by some calculations we could even be 100,000 casualties. And this is not my idea. This is the data that the 30,000 being counted are only the ones being reported to the Palestinian Ministry of Health each day. What that body count doesn’t count are the number of bodies under the rubble that have still yet to be accounted for or indeed the number of Palestinians who die because there’s no treatment in hospital because the hospital system has been destroyed. It only counts the number of people who die on a particular day as a direct result of Israeli strikes. It doesn’t count the casualties that are created when simple people die of their wounds because they’re simply not being treated. So, the casualty count could be much higher than 30,000.

What we’re seeing is a  process, which none of us, I think, were prepared for 5 months ago. 5 months ago, we thought that time was not on Netanyahu’s side or the Israeli army’s side. It had a limited window in which to achieve its military objectives, which all of us thought, couldn’t be achieved anyway. The dismantle or as they said the collapsing of Hamas. But as this war has gone on, and one of the assumptions was that Israel would have until the 1st of January, if you remember, Israel would have until the end of January to do what it did and then Joe Biden would call time and say “Khalas” enough. “Now, you’ve got to let the humanitarian agencies in and now you’ve got to ceasefire”. This never happened and the more it never happens, the longer this goes on, the more it can happen. And so that what we’re having is a process where massacres, individual massacres are being normalized. Shifa hospital… Look what happened to all the hospitals. Look what happened to the UN shelters… This is becoming so normal that it is simply being brushed over as a state of war. Collateral damage in a state of war… And if you listen carefully to how Western politicians describe these massacres, they don’t use the word “massacre”. These are only the words that we use here. But a lot of people who support Israel don’t use the word “massacre” or they say “Hey, it’s a war! What do you expect? It’s collateral damage”. We know it’s not collateral damage because these bombs are aimed and this is done to make Gaza unlivable and it is done to terrify civilians into fleeing, even fleeing into the sea. We got to be clear about this. You have an Israeli mainstream where you have mainstream politicians -I’m not talking about Itamar Ben-Gvir or etc. I’m talking about mainstream Likhud politicians who say “every Gazan who gets a bullet in the head deserves it”. And this is showing the absolute brutality of the impunity that we are giving people who are literally trying to kill as many civilians as they can and to terrorize them.

There were scenarios that Israel would confront Hezbollah and when the war in Gaza comes to a halt? Do you see this as realistic? 

I haven’t really decided about that. There are arguments on both sides of whether or not they will confront. For a start, this is an Israeli government that is not thinking rationally. It would not be rational to attack Hezbollah for a whole number of reasons but that doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t do it. They could argue to themselves that “now is the time to defy Hezbollah and to push it 6, 7 kilometers back from the border and if we don’t do it now, we’ve missed an opportunity of a generation.” Hezbollah themselves say and have made it really clear that they will not get engaged in a war, if they are not directly attacked if Israel doesn’t invade. However if they are attacked, then it really does become a regional war, because it will really involve Iran, it will involve Iraq. It will involve the Shia groups there. There’ll be a complete state of war along the entire border, not just that border but also the Jordanian one as well. Would Israel attack Hezbollah? There are lots of people who are convinced that it’s just a question of time. I think the Lebanese themselves are cautioning against this and there are quite a few people who know their stuff about Lebanon who actually say “No, Israel won’t”. There have been some interesting exchanges of fire along the border. One of them was the demonstration by Hezbollah of long range anti-tank missiles that went under Iron Dome that Israel could not knock out. And they demonstrated that firepower to send a message that actually fighting Hezbollah, particularly in the mountainous hilly areas of southern Lebanon, would be a completely different thing to fighting Hamas. So there are a number of arguments in the air. What actually will happen? I don’t know. But again we’re not in the realm of the rational. There are some who say that Hezbollah has a level of deterrence that has been established between the two armies and there are other people who would say “No, the residents of Northern Israel will not return to their houses until Hezbollah has been dealt with.”

How do you take the Hezbollah targeting Kiryat Shimona with missiles and Iraqi Shiite group hitting the power plants at Israel’s Haifa Airport? Can we say that this is the sign of your foresight about many parties involved in a greater war following Hezbollah?

 Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrealla group of Shia militias took responsibility for hitting the power station at Haifa airport with drones. Last week, the group mounted a similar drone attack on a chemical plant in the port of Haifa. This is the same group that killed three US soldiers at an attack at a US base on the border between Jordan and Syria. And it is undeterred by the way of airstrikes that the US launched in response. As some of us predicted, the northern as well as the southern borders of Israel have now become hot. And the ability of Hezbollah allied militias in Iraq to sustain these attacks which fly under the Iron Dome missile defense system and hit the targets with a pin-point accuracy can not be in doubt. 

Do you think a solution without Hamas in Gaza is possible? What do you think about the renewed Palestinian Authority envisioned by the US for Gaza? Do you take this plan as possible for the future of Gaza? 

I don’t think Hamas can be defeated in the sense that Hamas is an idea and it is part of the people of Gaza. It isn’t a militia that can be detached from Gaza. So, it could be forced out of Gaza but I don’t think it can be defeated. I think for that, you have to look elsewhere and find out the enormous popularity of Hamas in areas which are generally not associated with them at all. For instance, in Jordan, they’ve become enormously popular, not only amongst the Palestinians in Jordan, but also the East Bankers as well. That is very interesting and I think Hamas expresses as, indeed, the resistance groups express a resistance to occupation that has been completely abandoned by the Palestinian Authority. The idea of the Palestinian Authority taking over Gaza is being scorched by Israel because Israelis particularly want the Palestinian Authority in there. But also it is on its knees in the West Bank itself. When you go around the West Bank, it doesn’t extend to Nablus, it doesn’t extend to Janine. And the next generation, the sons and daughters of Fatah are joining in armed resistance as well. So, generationally, it’s also not working. Ultimately the only thing that will work, if you’re thinking about peace, is a fundamental change in the whole post-Oslo thinking, which is you actually allow Palestinians to choose their own leadership, that the factions become united in a government of National Unity and that there are free elections. There haven’t been free elections there for 17 years.

What are you talking about? If you want to build a Palestinian state of whatever dimensions, you have to allow UNRWA for the education system. You have to stop destroying it. But you also have to allow the political process going on. And that involves a government of national unity. Now, everything that Israel has done, everything America has done, and Britain has done, has been to prevent a government of national unity from forming. So, we have to change all our habits because there’s a formula: you exclude Hamas or exclude all armed resistance until they give up their arms. That is not what happened in Northern Ireland. What happened in Northern Ireland was that decommissioning happened after there was a clear political vision given to the republican movement that they could, then, share power with the unionists. Decommissioning didn’t happen before then. So, we’re asking Hamas to decommission before there’s any vision of a political future. If you want to stop the fighting, then you have to start talking about how you engineer the conditions for a long-term consistency.

The two State solution that the US has been pushing in rhetoric, let’s say, so far has not been successful. Do you think it’s realistic to insist on a two-state solution?

If you’re serious about a two-state solution, you’ve also got to be serious about what sort of state you are going to create for Palestine, which actually has sovereignty, which has contiguity, and which has control over its own borders. And none of that is being envisioned by the map which we saw during Erdogan’s speech. That’s what the state of Palestine actually looks like. It looks like a bunch of stones. So, if you’re talking about a two-state solution, the people who propose it, what sort of state are you talking about because it is a deeply deceptive word. The two-state solution implies a level of reciprocation of balance, of symmetry between two equal states. And what you’ve got is one enormous state. And a whole bunch of locked up prisons around it, and without any ability to commit to even get out of their village, and go from one village to another. They’re completely locked up and it is a total apartheid system.

So, how can you turn an apartheid system into a genuine two states. If you’re talking a Palestinian state, and if you’re talking about the land on which a Palestinian state would be, you’ve got to ask yourself, is there a politician who’s been born in Israel, who is prepared to order the eviction of something up to a million settlers. If you’re being serious, what do you do with the settlers? Because is now not a small number… It is anywhere between 700 to up to a million people. Now, if you count the settlements in the West Bank, in East Jerusalem and the Golan heights, 750 thousand more. That’s a large number of people. And it’s not just their houses but it’s also their businesses because there are now 18 different industrial zones that link them. They don’t have to travel to 1948 Israel for their jobs. They’ve got their jobs right there. They’ve got all their businesses right there. They are totally protected and now they’ve been given heavy arms as well. So, who’s going to evict them? However, you know, the Turkish Foreign Ministry is very much their line that if you confront people about a two-state solution and you promote it, you’re actually challenging the world to think about the sort of questions that are going to stop it. And, you would provoke Israel into saying “we won’t accept a state under any condition” which is what Netanyahu has said, so Israel can’t pretend it’s for a two-state solution only. They’ve got no one on the other end of the negotiation table to negotiate with. The further down the line you push for an autonomous contiguous Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem, the more you’re going to confront the myth that Israel is going to tolerate that.

What about all other global powers should they involve to solve this crisis? Do you think they could have a role in this? 

I think what has to happen is that the whole debate about Israel has to change and I think the involvement of South Africa is incredibly important. Because they have huge moral force, because they changed the system from within and they changed the system from without. It has become a global campaign now. What has happened as the only positive thing that has happened in the last 5 months is that Palestine has become a global moral issue in the way that Ukraine is not. Ukraine is a regional war but it’s not a global issue. However, Gaza is a global issue now but it hasn’t actually changed the regional dynamics or not yet. And now, what has to happen is the regional dynamics have to start changing and have to start happening the world’s got the climate that allows Israel to do what it does, has change and it’s got to become much colder for people who use phenomenal brutality and who have shown the brutality that they’re using against ordinary civilians, and and the mask of liberal Zionism has slipped. You can no longer use the fig leaf that Israel is behaving morally because it’s so obvious that it’s not.

Middle East was having a normalization process before the war? Do you expect this process to continue after the war? What’s going to happen after the war in the region? 

Normalization came from a basically an Israeli idea under the Trump administration that you could jump over the heads of the Palestinian issue and normalize with the Arab states. It was taking the Arab peace initiative on its head and producing the end- first, and building an enormous highway over the heads of the Palestinians and then offering them the status of being a sort of “Gasterbeiter” (guest workers). The status of being workers in their own land without any political rights… I think the Gaza War has turned that on its head. I think, in particular, one of the nations that could have been about to sign the treaty with Israel and normalized with Saudi Arabia under pressure of Gaza, and also under the pressure of Arab opinion. That’s now changed. And it is now reverted to the Arab peace initiative which was one of the things that Saudi Arabia created in 2002. There, the logic was inversed. “First, you have a solution on Palestine, and then we will normalize relations”. So, the logic of normalization has been reversed. That is not to say that the Arab regimes will cut ties with Israel because they are elites. They have a very ambivalent attitude to the Palestinian question, because the Palestinian question was the Arab Spring at large. It was the first real Arab Spring. The Intifadas were really the first signs of a model that was then repeated with the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt and the whole wave of revolutions that threatened them. They’re still threatened. They’re still threatened by that feeling and so the idea that somehow they’re going to become great supporters of a “New Palestine”, I’m very doubtful about. However, I don’t think that they can go back to the normalization formula that existed before October 7th. I think that’s impossible now.

So, they’re frozen in a position in which they say normally “we need a Palestinian state”. So, that’s why it is important to test everyone’s mind and say “what sort of Palestine?” Any Palestine are you prepared to create and in what time frame… Because if you look at the history of Israeli settlement, most of the settlement in the West Bank happened not before Oslo but after it. So, it was Oslo that allowed a huge expansion of settlement in the West Bank which we’re now dealing with. Therefore, you say “we should go back to Oslo” but this is not the same map that’s now we’re talking about, that was introduced, for instance, in the last round of talks which ended in Taba. So, one advantage of talking about a Palestinian state of any form, is to make the world conscious of exactly what is blocking the creation of a Palestinian state of any size. And that in itself is a salutary process. I don’t believe that this will work. But it’s still worth confronting the world community with the obstacles that any Palestinian State would create. I don’t think that Israel is prepared to tolerate an autonomous state living anywhere next to it. I simply don’t believe that. They believe in total domination from “The River To The Sea”. They’re prepared to accept small enclaves around them they can control. But they’re not prepared to accept free elections. But we have to go through that process before we can actually come to the solution that would last, which would be to keep the settlers where they are, but to introduce the right of return and to go for an equality of citizenship based on keeping everyone where they were but that would be a very very different state of Israel, and a very very different state of Palestine…

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Daniel Davis warns US strategy fails against Iranian defense grid

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Retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel and military analyst Daniel Davis discussed the US military operation against Iran, decision-making mechanisms in Washington, US-Israel relations, transformations in modern warfare doctrine, and the global balance of power in an interview with Harici Media.

Answering questions of Harici Editor-in-Chief Tunç Akkoç regarding the Iran war, retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis stated that the US administration lacks an achievable military strategy on the ground. Davis said: “I would say the US has a desire, not a strategy. It wants to subjugate the Iranian side, corner them, seize control of the Strait of Hormuz, prove they pose no threat to anyone in the region, and ensure they never possess nuclear weapons. That is our desire. But there is no strategy to achieve any of these goals.”

Drawing on his past military experience, Davis detailed the geographical and technical challenges on the ground: “As a soldier with direct combat experience, having gained combat experience in some of these mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example, I know that many of the mountains inside Iran belong to the same mountain category. I knew what a difficult military task it would be to conquer a country as large as most of Western Europe, where such mountain ranges cover the entire western front. Therefore, I knew you could do nothing on the ground. However, I also knew that you could not subjugate a country with this kind of defense capacity and of this nature through air power alone.”

Pointing out that Iran’s defense infrastructure spans many years, Davis continued: “You cannot do this, especially when they have anticipated this for twenty years and made all kinds of preparations by constructing underground caves, production facilities, and storage facilities, and developing production capabilities for their unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles. There is no way you can defeat them. Because such facilities were designed not only to withstand all our strike missiles, such as Tomahawk, Jasmine cruise missiles, PSM, or ATAC, but also to survive. Most are capable of surviving nuclear explosions as well. I have been inside some of these here in the US. I have been in some physically located beneath a mountain. I know they were specifically designed when constructed to withstand the largest nuclear weapons the Soviet Union might possess. The ones there are of the same kind. If you know before embarking on an act of starting a war that the enemy is this large, possesses these types of defenses, and everyone knows these are resistant to our non-nuclear conventional munitions, why would you start a war to force them into something you clearly cannot achieve?”

Addressing the assumptions behind the war decision, Davis said: “I think this is a fantasy stoked by Benjamin Netanyahu. It was said, ‘If we assassinate their leaders, the same thing will happen as happened to Maduro in Venezuela. You went there, captured him, and disabled him; when you did that, you took control of the entire government, they basically handed the country over to you, and the same will happen here.’ Anyone who thinks Venezuela is like Iran has paid attention to nothing. The culture, history, religion, experiences, and everything that has transpired over the last 47 years are radically different from those in Venezuela, and you do not have an insider to facilitate the process as we had in Venezuela. But President Trump appears to have thought this way.”

“When he started the war on February 28, he sealed our fate; we lost this war”

Pointing to inconsistencies in US President Donald Trump’s decisions and the trajectory of the operation, Davis stated: “This situation is proof that he is stuck. Because, in my view, when he started the war on February 28, he sealed our fate. We lost this war. Even if it is ongoing right now, there is no logical way for us to win it. Because we cannot eliminate the trump card held by the Iranian side.”

Stating that military pressure mechanisms are insufficient, Davis explained: “We still have our missiles, aircraft, aircraft carriers, and all such elements. That is why it appears feasible. It is thought, ‘Maybe if we make a good enough deal, or put enough pressure on them, or impose a blockade and leave the public in a dire enough position to change the government’s mind.’ This is a fantasy. This is the only thing President Trump has. Because if he were acting based solely on military reality, strategic reality, and cultural and religious reality, he would know this was an unwise move, but he does not know.”

Describing Trump’s negotiation approach and the breakdown of the reached agreement, Davis used the following expressions: “He is a transactional individual who wants relationships resolved overnight. For example, during the memorandum of understanding period, this duration was to be 60 days. After starting the war, no achievable military objectives remained. Whatever your desires were, you can no longer reach them because you have confronted reality. Now he is trying to find an exit route, but even within this understanding, he cannot arrive at a rational and consistent perspective. Any rational person would think that when the memorandum of understanding was signed on June 17, it provided him with an exit route. You implement the terms of this memorandum, the crisis is resolved, the dual blockade is lifted, and the Strait of Hormuz could reopen.”

Addressing the clauses of the agreement text and subsequent developments, Davis said: “The terms Trump signed stated that Iran had administrative control of the Strait of Hormuz but could not demand any transit fees for 60 days. Iran accepted this, but accepted only one condition: the ‘for 60 days only’ stipulation. Subsequently, they publicly announced that they would collect fees later, but not during these 60 days. The US was not mentioned in the text in any way. We had no say. The authority to decide how operations would run was left to Iran together with Oman. We gave them 30 of the 60 days to prepare their plan for this. But after four or five days passed, the US suddenly declared a new southern corridor together with Oman.”

Detailing the process of reversing the decision, Davis noted: “While a step to reopen the strait had been agreed upon, traffic had risen to approximately one-third of pre-war levels, and many shipments had passed directly on the first day, Trump personally turned back this development toward finding a reasonable exit route from the unfolding disaster. According to reports from some sources in Washington, he came under intense pressure from pro-war figures in his inner circle and those on the Israeli side. He backed down under this pressure and modified the terms by inserting himself into the fifth paragraph. He never made Israel implement the first paragraph, which covered Lebanon and envisioned a ceasefire on all fronts. We did not even give them 30 days; we intervened before five days had passed. Trump has a goal, fails to reach it, puts forward another condition, and then withdraws that as well. He is very easily manipulated; he reaches a decision, then someone speaks with him, and he changes his mind.”

Recalling that a similar situation occurred in relations with Saudi Arabia, Davis said: “He said he made a great deal with Saudi Arabia, and the next day he changed the condition by saying, ‘as long as they sign the Abraham Accords.’ Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, announced that this was not part of the agreement and had never been discussed. This situation shows that President Trump constantly makes concessions when pressured. On this basis, how can any agreement be reached with the US? This situation means that no military or diplomatic exit point remains because he does not permit it.”

“Control is no longer an economic matter; it is a national security imperative”

In response to a question about whether a mutual exit opportunity remains from the current impasse, Davis said: “We had the memorandum of understanding; we had secured this agreement. However, President Trump and his Secretary, Scott Bessent, said, ‘as long as it is a deal we like, we want a new deal.’ You already had a deal; what deal are you talking about now? Why would the Iranian side negotiate a new deal that differs from an agreement made two months ago? This is completely illogical. The Iranian side holds military superiority through its missile cities and half a dozen alternative methods to control the strait. As their official authorities stated on social media, control of the strait is no longer merely an economic matter; it is a national security imperative because it is the only tool with which they can balance their American adversary, who is far stronger militarily.”

Evaluating the impact of the oil crisis, Davis stated: “Strategic Petroleum Reserves are declining. This situation has prevented a crisis so far, but it cannot cover products like jet fuel, diesel, and fertilizer. If it continues this way and the problem is postponed, the reserves will be depleted one day, and economic activity cannot be sustained without oil. Pressure is on President Trump, and the Iranian side is aware of this. They know the blockade will harm them, but they have calculated that they can endure much longer and deeper pain than our side. This is an existential matter; they know that if they surrender their only trump card to an unpredictable president, they will be attacked again later.”

“Reflexive support for Israel in society has been broken”

Touching upon relations between the US and Israel, Davis said a clear divergence has begun in American society. Davis noted: “In the past, across all segments of society and all generations, it was reflexively said, ‘Of course we are pro-Israel, they are our democratic ally.’ This situation continued until the Gaza process following October 7. Israel was attacked on October 7, and no one found it strange that it responded. However, what happened afterward created problems. Israel used this opportunity to destroy the Gaza Strip, increase pressure in the West Bank, bring in new settlers, and discuss annexation.”

Describing the rift between political elites and the public, Davis explained: “There is a major divide in America. Elites are unaffected by genocide or the killing of women and children in the West Bank and Gaza; they close their eyes, arguing that Israel is an ally. However, the eyes of the American public are not closed. They see human suffering on social media and do not carry the memorized assumptions of the past. These elites are not merely bought with money; for decades, they genuinely believed that our interests and Israel’s interests were one and the same. In their minds, saying something negative about Israel is equivalent to saying something negative about the US. Younger generations in particular, and a growing portion of all generations, recognize that our interests are not the same.”

Drawing attention to the cost of the war to the US, Davis noted: “We elected President Trump to apply the America First principle, not Israel first, Britain first, or Germany first. There is anger against those who sacrificed America’s needs by entering the war. According to figures reflected in the public domain, at least 600 Americans were injured; according to what I have heard, this number is over a thousand. Money has been spent, our facilities have been damaged, and our aircraft destroyed; around 40 to 50 of our aircraft were damaged or destroyed. Our bases were ruined and will likely never be rebuilt. We have also lost our geopolitical influence in the region. I doubt that relations with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait can return to their former state. Because the foundational assumption of this entire structure was that we could protect them; we could not even protect ourselves.”

“We are still living as if it were 1992”

Evaluating the shift in military technology, Davis stated that the US has lost its traditional military superiority. Davis said: “A large number of people in America are still living as if it were 1992. The Soviet Union had just collapsed, China was a peasant army developing militarily and economically, and we held absolute dominance following Operation Desert Storm. We are no longer in 1992. The Russians corrected their mistakes after the initial phase of the Ukraine war in 2022; they became a much stronger land force, missile, and drone force. China, meanwhile, reached immense technological and industrial capacity.”

Explaining the current situation through the example of Iran, Davis said: “We thought we could crush Iran like a fly, but we could not do so due to their missile cities and technologies. If we cannot eliminate Iran, what can we do against China or Russia, which possess power far beyond that? We have fallen behind in categories such as hypersonic missiles and the new Oreshnik missile. When I saw the Bayraktar TB2 vehicles used by the Turks in the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war, as someone with an armored unit background, I understood that the nature of war had changed. The US, meanwhile, talks about producing 300,000 drones by 2030. In an environment where tactics change every six weeks on the Ukrainian and Russian battlefield, our systems remain extremely slow. Ukrainian soldiers mocked the tank platoon manual published last year, saying that with these methods, one could not survive on the battlefield for even ten minutes.”

“The idea of containing China is a fantasy”

Criticizing the US military approach toward China, Davis evaluated: “There is talk of a strategy to militarily contain China. Will you prevent their activities within their own borders, their technological developments, or the expansion of their military? You cannot stop a country with a strong economy and a massive population. We can achieve no result other than entering a war with China in the Asia-Pacific region and losing it. China’s shipbuilding capacity is approximately 200 times ours; they are vastly superior to us in artillery ammunition, aircraft, and missile production. Our methods left over from the Cold War no longer work. What we need to do is keep our own defense strong and ensure deterrence, not spend billions of dollars in the region to establish forward bases that will be hit.”

Touching upon the potential for diplomatic relations between the two countries, Davis said: “I think President Trump personally knows that going to war with China is unwise. However, the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex view China as a constant enemy, demanding more budget, more bases, and more missiles every year. No one considers diplomacy. Yet we can develop peaceful, stable relations with China based on mutual benefit, even if not friendly. Regarding Taiwan as well, I think leaders realize after seeing what occurred in the Middle East and Ukraine that help will not come, and they will adopt a more cooperative stance by withdrawing independence rhetoric. China does not want to start a war; it desires a model similar to Hong Kong. Even if a conflict breaks out in the worst-case scenario, it is between China and Taiwan; the US should not choose to join the war and lose.”

Emphasizing that the arms lobby inside the US maintains its power, Davis stated: “The military-industrial complex remains extremely powerful and holds all levers of power. They maintain control through members of Congress, the media, and public relations networks; I see no sign that this structure is weakening.”

“They did not want someone who would tell the truth about Israel”

Providing information about the process surrounding the cancellation of his appointment within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Davis recounted the issue in these words: “When Tulsi Gabbard came to me and asked me to become the number three executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, I said I would be honored to serve my country. However, I stated that I had openly opposed the policies pursued by Israel since October 7 and the war in Gaza and Lebanon, and that these views might not be welcomed within the administration. She thought my accurate past analyses would compensate for this situation. One of my duties was to present the daily intelligence briefing to the president.”

Describing the stage at which his candidacy was withdrawn, Davis said: “Articles against me appeared in the Israeli press and American media. I never hid my views; I said Benjamin Netanyahu’s policies were harming Israel and dragging us down as well. I advocate the ‘America First’ principle, but there are many people within the administration who say ‘Israel First’ and have zero tolerance for any criticism directed at Netanyahu. They did not want someone who would tell the truth regarding Israel. The process expanded following posts by figures like Laura Loomer. On the day I passed the CIA polygraph test and was set to begin duty, Susie Wiles was informed that I had put the president in a difficult position regarding the Russia-Ukraine war. While Trump was saying there would be a ceasefire, I stated on my program that Vladimir Putin would not agree to a ceasefire given his current advantage. Although I stated that I supported a ceasefire, this was made a pretext, and my appointment offer was withdrawn,” completing the interview.

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Quincy Institute expert says the United States had no plan B

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In an interview with Harici Media, Trita Parsi, Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, stated that global unipolarity is coming to an end, transitioning into an increasingly multipolar order.

Parsi addressed shifting global power dynamics, US foreign policy toward China, structural domestic pressures in Washington, and the strategic miscalculations surrounding the ongoing US conflict with Iran.

Parsi noted that while many analysts declare the arrival of a post-American world, the transition will not be an abrupt moment. Instead, he described a phased emergence where it becomes clear that no single superpower possesses deterministic influence over global affairs.

Parsi observed that many governments have been slow to internalize this reality or adjust their policies accordingly, creating the superficial illusion that a unipolar system remains intact. “Whether it’s fully multipolar or other configurations, we can be debated. What I think is clear is that the unipolarity is coming to an end,” Parsi said.

“Unipolarity is an aberration, an abnormality”

Regarding Washington’s readiness for a multipolar world, Parsi asserted that the US political establishment remains unprepared and has historically denied the shift. He recalled that during the first two years of the Biden administration, describing the world as multipolar was dismissed as a Russian propaganda narrative.

However, Parsi highlighted a shift under US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who stated in a February 2025 interview that unipolarity was an anomaly. Parsi explained, “He actually went further. He said that unipolarity is an aberration, an abnormality, a historical accident. If you believe that it’s a historical accident, if you believe that it’s an abnormality, then I think it comes from that, that any effort to try to restore unipolarity should be rejected.”

Addressing US policy toward China, Parsi noted that despite the summit between US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, there is no structural indication that Washington views Beijing as a potential partner rather than a rival.

He contrasted the Biden administration’s aggressive posture—which assumed an existential struggle for dominance—with the Trump administration’s softer but poorly planned approach.

Parsi argued that neither power can decisively defeat the other, making mutual coexistence and co-governance essential to avoid a catastrophic zero-sum confrontation.

“An effort to indefinitely contain China is a recipe for disaster”

Parsi rejected the feasibility of military containment against Beijing, warning of severe consequences. “I think an effort to indefinitely contain China is a recipe that will bring about great power competition and a confrontation between the US and China that is going to be completely disastrous,” Parsi stated.

He observed that despite significant US strategic errors, such as the conflict with Iran, China has exercised restraint rather than exploiting American vulnerabilities. Parsi argued that if Beijing were dead-set on aggressive power competition, it would have acted differently.

Economically, Parsi argued that containing China through tariffs or Soviet-era containment models is a losing proposition.

Unlike the Soviet Union, which maintained an isolated economic model, China is deeply integrated into global trade and serves as the primary trading partner for most nations, including those in Latin America such as Brazil. Parsi emphasized that economic containment is unviable against a state with such vast global integration.

“This confrontation will be the deadliest conflict in human history”

Evaluating the risk of the “Thucydides Trap,” Parsi criticized the Washington foreign policy establishment for its structural inability to envision peaceful coexistence.

He noted that the political culture in Washington is built around zero-sum competition and conflict rather than diplomatic management.

Parsi emphasized that while historical precedents exist, humanity is not bound to repeat them, particularly when the stakes involve existential risks. Parsi warned that an unmanaged confrontation between the US and China “would be the deadliest conflict in human history if it is allowed to happen,” threatening human survival itself.

Parsi attributed this narrow strategic focus to structural domestic forces, particularly the US military-industrial complex and influential lobbying groups. Working alongside the grand strategy of liberal hegemony, these forces require US military dominance worldwide, especially in Asia.

Parsi explained that institutional inertia makes it extraordinarily difficult for Washington to alter its strategic trajectory.

“The US had an unrealistic plan A and no plan B”

Turning to the conflict with Iran, Parsi asserted that Washington lacks a coherent strategy, having relied on an unrealistic plan that failed within the first three days.

He stated that the US expected a swift regime collapse or surrender within four days, but faced horizontal escalation from Iran, including threats to the Strait of Hormuz and regional strikes.

“The United States had a very unrealistic plan A and no plan B, and it’s been stuck in that situation ever since,” Parsi said, adding that Washington has been improvising and executing tactical operations without strategic success.

Parsi attributed President Trump’s shifting decisions on Iran to this absence of strategy and his personal demand for immediate results. When military action failed to yield swift progress, Trump turned to diplomacy, only to lose patience within three weeks and resume military strikes. Parsi questioned whether the global community could afford a superpower acting in such an erratic manner.

“Without Israel’s push, there would not have been a war with Iran”

Addressing Israel’s role, Parsi stated that Israeli pressure was a decisive factor in driving US policy toward confrontation with Iran.

“Without Israel’s push, there would not have been a war with Iran. Without Trump agreeing to the Israelis, there would not have been a war with Iran. Both of them were needed,” Parsi remarked, noting that Israeli efforts since 1995 elevated Iran into a primary US national security concern disproportionate to actual US interests in the region.

Parsi identified a growing divergence between US and Israeli interests in the Middle East. While the US benefits from reducing its regional military footprint of 50,000 troops, Israel requires continuous US military presence and intervention to maintain a favorable regional balance of power.

Parsi noted that this divergence has created a visible rift between Washington and Tel Aviv following the poor execution of the war and subsequent diplomatic maneuvers.

“Israel’s standing amongst the American public has plummeted”

Parsi highlighted a major shift in American public opinion regarding Israel, noting that sympathy for Palestinians has surpassed sympathy for Israel across almost every demographic category, except Republicans over the age of 65.

He attributed this decline directly to Israel’s military actions in Gaza and its perceived role in drawing the US into a disastrous war with Iran, which mirrored earlier public grievances over the Iraq War.

Regarding a resolution to the conflict, Parsi stated that a dignified exit for both the US and Iran remains possible, though the window is narrowing due to personal hostility and political miscalculations.

Finally, addressing Trump’s political image, Parsi clarified that Trump was never strictly anti-war, but rather anti-risk.

He explained that Trump entered the conflict because Israeli officials convinced him that war with Iran posed little risk and would be concluded within 100 hours. Parsi concluded that had Trump not been misled into believing the operation would be a swift success, he would not have initiated it.

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Why did Trump step back from a decision to launch a new attack on Iran?

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Conflicting statements from the US and Iran regarding the potential resumption of diplomatic negotiations have emerged, while ongoing tensions in the Strait of Hormuz have once again brought global energy concerns to the fore.

Addressing these developments on the Harici live broadcast of Strategic Compass, international relations scholar Prof. Dr. Hasan Unal and Alptekin Dursunoglu, journalist, author, and Editor-in-Chief of Yakin Dogu Haber (YDH), evaluated the internal, regional, and strategic dimensions of the conflict. The discussion focused on the shift in Iran’s military doctrine, the political strain within the US administration, the economic vulnerability of Gulf monarchies, and the broader realignments reshaping Middle Eastern geopolitics.

Why did Trump step back from a decision to launch a new attack on Iran?

Opening the discussion, Prof. Dr. Hasan Unal offered a sharp critique of the political rhetoric originating from Washington, contrasting executive declarations with the tactical outcomes on the ground. Unal argued that public statements made by former US President Donald Trump increasingly lack analytical consistency, complicating efforts to decipher official US strategy.

“He has reached a point where he tells more lies than the daily meowing of stray cats,” Unal remarked during the broadcast. “I do not know which part of his statements we ought to analyze, but if we evaluate him within a broader framework, it becomes possible to reach certain conclusions.”

Unal described the military confrontation between Washington and Tehran as an uneven cycle of escalation, noting that US forces continue to suffer casualties and incur immense financial costs without altering the strategic baseline. “The situation has effectively transformed into something like a defeated wrestler who never grows tired of wrestling; America repeatedly approaches and confronts Iran, yet the outcome is obvious from the outset,” Unal stated. He added that American military personnel are being deployed into conflict zones where national interests remain obscure: “I am certain that American soldiers there largely believe they have no personal interests at stake… and that it serves at most the interests of Israel.”

Dursunoglu contextualised the current phase of hostilities as part of an extended campaign, comparing the recent clashes to a second round of a broader regional conflict following earlier engagements in 2025. He noted that despite assertive claims from Washington regarding the destruction of Iranian military infrastructure, operational continuity on the Iranian side forced a shift in US messaging.

Reflecting on official declarations from US Central Command (CENTCOM) and executive statements following intensive strikes, Unal highlighted the internal contradictions in Washington’s narrative: “Trump claimed Iranian naval forces were sent to the bottom of the sea, the air force beyond the atmosphere, and the ground forces deep into the magma. Yet suddenly he declared, ‘I have forgiven Iran,’ while CENTCOM figures suggested they had reached ‘target saturation’—as if there was simply nothing left to hit.”

Is Iran insisting on its conditions regarding the Strait of Hormuz?

A central focus of the analysis was Iran’s response mechanism following the breakdown of initial ceasefire frameworks. Dursunoglu highlighted a significant structural transition in Tehran’s military posture, moving from traditional reactive containment to proactive deterrence across multiple theatres.

Dursunoglu pointed out that during the escalation, Iran did not restrict its target matrix to immediate points of contact. Instead, Iranian forces conducted strikes against US installations and logistical networks across the region, including facilities in Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, and Oman.

“Iran’s traditional defence doctrine was defensive and based on proportional retaliation,” Dursunoglu explained. “However, after the US halted strikes, Iran proceeded to target assets in Jordan and Kuwait without immediate prior attacks on those specific vectors. This indicates that Iran has begun executing preemptive strikes, effectively adapting its strategic posture.”

Unal underscored the severity of these strikes on regional logistics, noting that Iranian counter-strikes targeted the port of Aqaba and airport infrastructure in Jordan, alongside American operational facilities in the Gulf. “According to the accounts, Iranian forces began hitting American installations in Gulf states and Jordan within minutes of initial strikes, effectively neutralizing the operational depth the US relied upon,” Unal noted.

The operational status of the Strait of Hormuz remains a decisive point of leverage. Under previous draft frameworks negotiated through Omani mediation, administrative oversight of maritime traffic through the Strait was slated to transition to Iran in coordination with regional littoral states. However, subsequent US efforts to establish an independent naval corridor along the Omani coast triggered a fresh wave of Iranian interdictions.

Dursunoglu outlined the ongoing negotiations surrounding the maritime passage, noting that attempts to bypass Iranian oversight proved unviable for commercial shipping. Under the latest proposals under discussion via Omani channels, incoming maritime traffic into the Gulf would pass through Iranian-designated corridors under Iranian authorization, while outgoing traffic would proceed along Omani coastal waters following notification and approval.

“If an agreement is finalized on these terms, it represents an explicit recognition of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz by the US regime,” Dursunoglu said. He noted that while initial terms provided free passage during a temporary 60-day window, long-term frameworks anticipate structured administrative mechanisms for commercial vessels. Unal added: “Whether designated as transit fees, environmental charges, or security provisions, formalizing maritime oversight secures a permanent structural advantage for Tehran.”

Under what conditions will negotiations begin?

The economic ramifications of maritime disruption have also altered the calculations of Gulf export nations. Following attempts by Saudi Arabia to engage Ansar Allah (Houthi) forces in Yemen, retaliatory actions against critical infrastructure—including the Yanbu crude oil pipeline on the Red Sea—severely constrained alternative export routes.

“By drawing Yemeni forces back into active conflict, Saudi Arabia inadvertently placed its secondary export avenues under direct fire,” Unal observed. “The vulnerability of the Yanbu pipeline demonstrates that reliance on the Gulf cannot be bypassed easily, effectively increasing regional dependence on stability within the Strait.”

Beyond the maritime domain, the broadcast addressed heavy Iranian military engagements in northern Iraq, targeting opposition groups including the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), Komala, Pak, and Free Life Party of Kurdistan (PJAK) along the Erbil-Suleimaniyeh axis.

Dursunoglu and Unal noted that cross-border strikes destroyed substantial ammunition depots established near border regions, followed by reported ground operations conducted by specialized Iranian units.

“Iranian special forces executed targeted ground operations across the border,” Dursunoglu stated, pointing to secondary explosions captured in operational footage as evidence of extensive pre-positioned armaments.

Unal noted that these operations underscored the strategic limitations of non-state actors aligned with Washington: “The expectations placed on armed factions in northern Iraq collapsed when confronted with direct military pressure. The narrative that these groups could serve as an internal wedge against Tehran proved to be a costly miscalculation for US planners.”

Reports indicating the start of a repositioning of US personnel and heavy military equipment from bases in Iraq and the Gulf toward Jordan and Israel were identified as a direct consequence of this vulnerability. “US forces are consolidating toward Jordan and Israel because their facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait sustained structural operational damage,” Dursunoglu observed. “When a state can no longer defend its forward command centers—such as the 5th Fleet infrastructure in Bahrain—it is forced to retreat to secondary defensive perimeters.”

How effective is the pressure from Gulf countries for negotiations?

Concluding the evaluation, Unal and Dursunoglu examined the broader diplomatic landscape, focusing on security dialogues among regional powers, including Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. Both analysts agreed that any sustainable security architecture in the Middle East must incorporate Iran rather than seek its exclusion.

“How can you construct a new regional order by excluding the very nation that demonstrated the capacity to neutralize external military dominance?” Dursunoglu questioned. “An architecture that relies on Western guarantees or Israeli alignment fails to address the underlying security dynamics of the region.”

Unal reflected on the historical trajectories of Turkish foreign policy, criticizing past ideological approaches that fuelled regional fragmentation and sect-based antagonisms. He noted that realpolitik dictates close functional coordination between Ankara and Tehran despite historical differences.

“Iran’s resistance ultimately prevented the imposition of a security framework dictated entirely by external actors,” Unal concluded. “Responsible analysis requires recognizing that stability in the Middle East cannot be achieved through foreign intervention or regional fragmentation, but through direct, autonomous security coordination among the region’s core nations.”

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