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Anatol Lieven, Director of the Eurasia Program at the US-based Quincy Institute, spoke to Harici: “What we don’t know is how far Trump is willing to go in terms of really guaranteeing against future NATO expansion. The Russians may also insist on NATO as an organization withdrawing its offer of NATO. Future NATO membership to Ukraine.”

Anatol Lieven is an academic, journalist, and author specializing in international relations and geopolitics. He is particularly known for his deep expertise on Russia, the former Soviet region, and Central Asia. In the 1980s and 1990s, he worked as a war correspondent in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and other conflict zones, enriching his analyses with the experience he gained on the ground. He has worked for leading media organizations such as the BBC and The Times, and has closely witnessed the political transformations of the post-Soviet era.

He currently serves as the Director of the Eurasia Program at the US-based Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, conducting research on Russia’s foreign policy and security strategies. Combining an academic perspective with field experience, Lieven has become a respected authority both in academia and among policymakers. His books and articles are considered important resources for those seeking to understand Russia’s geopolitical position, domestic dynamics, and regional influence.

Anatol Lieven, in an interview with Harici at the Quincy Institute in Washington, answered questions from Tunç Akkoç and Sarp Sinan Hacır.

Of course, we will go into the details of the latest, news, but I first want to take a general, assessment from you about the Ukraine war. What is the current situation on the ground? Who has the more advantages and what are the disadvantages that the both sides have? What is the situation?

The situation in Ukraine at the moment is that the Russians are advancing.They do seem pretty close to capturing the, the important town and base of Pokrovsk. On the other hand, it has taken them a year to get to this position. And of course, numerous casualties because, it’s become a cliche, but contemporary military technology, as in the First World War, but in a new form of mines and drones, strongly favors the defensive.

So, the point is that Russia undoubtedly can capture more Ukrainian territory. But on the evidence so far, this will take a long time and be very costly. Now, on the other hand, as the First World War also demonstrates, you know, you can have a stalemate lasting for years. And then one side collapses and if either side collapses, it’s not going to be the Russians, because, clearly the Russians have a considerable advantage in terms of sheer numbers.

And of course, insecurity of military supply, because whatever, you know, the Europeans may say, it’s quite clear that Western aid to Ukraine is not entirely secure. So I think there is, a motive on both sides to come to a deal, because on the Russian side, you can gain more territory, but how much more territory? And while there is a chance of a Ukrainian collapse, there is absolutely no certainty on the Ukrainian side.

You will lose more territory whatever happens. And there is a risk of complete collapse. So, And of course, up to now, you have had a situation in which the Russian advantage has not been so marked in terms of numbers, because Russia is relying on a well-paid volunteer army, whereas the Ukrainians have been conscripting very large numbers of young men.

But what you now see in Ukraine, is huge resistance to conscription among the population. And according to the latest independent opinion polls, by Gallup. You see, now, a large majority of the Ukrainian population would like an early compromise peace, not surrender, not not giving up completely. But, you know, making a compromise. So I think, the advantage is definitely on Russia’s side at the moment.

When the war began in 2022, the Biden administration aimed to restore Ukraine’s 1991 borders, but a clear strategy never emerged. How did the Biden-Harris administration intend to achieve this goal?

I don’t think that they did, frankly, or at least until late in 2023. There was the hope that the Ukrainian offensive would break through and recapture at least much of the lost territory.

But even then, the CIA itself was warning very strongly against helping Ukraine to reconquer Crimea, because they were afraid that that would lead to nuclear war, that the Russians would resort nuclear weapons. But since the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in 2023, there has really been no realistic chance of Ukraine recovering its lost territories. But the problem was, I think the, the Biden administration and Western governments had nailed themselves publicly and officially so much to this principle of territorial legitimacy that they couldn’t change the policy, even when it was clear that the policy was actually dead.

And, you know, the, the then American chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley, actually did say in the autumn of 2023, this is the optimal moment for Ukraine to try and do a deal. It only gets worse from now on. And of course, that is pretty much what has happened.

Recent reports suggest a possible U.S.–Russia deal involving Ukraine’s withdrawal from Donbass and referendums in other annexed oblasts, but Russia’s constitution claims these regions as its own. Could such a deal bring lasting peace to Ukraine?

Yeah. Nothing in international affairs is permanent. You know, who can say what the world will look like in even, you know, 50 years, let alone 100. But I think there is a chance because, you know, actually, Russia in, in this constitutional amendment never defined the borders of these provinces. So it is constitutionally open to Russia to say, yes.

We, you know, provisionally, we have what we hold now. And of course, we still claim the whole of these oblasts, but this is open to future negotiation. And the Ukrainians say the same thing. You know, we still claim the whole of these provinces, but we’re willing to negotiate and then probably, you know, as in the case of Cyprus, the negotiations go on forever.

I mean, hopefully, as in the case of Cyprus, unlike, for example, the case of Kashmir, though, we don’t go back to war again. If both sides have got enough of what they need in terms of what they see as their vital interests, and if the costs of returning to war seem too high. But of course, I mean, the thing is, this isn’t only a territorial issue.

And we we have heard that Trump is willing to make this territorial proposal. And I think this is true because without that, I don’t think that Putin would have agreed to come to the negotiating table. What we don’t know is how far Trump is willing to go in terms of really guaranteeing against future NATO expansion, because I think the Russians will not be satisfied simply with a declaration from Trump, which a future American administration can withdraw again, because that’s pretty much what happened to Russia in the 1990s. No, they will want something much more formal now. That will mean, a constitutional amendment in Ukraine restoring neutrality to the Ukrainian constitution. And it will take a lot of pressure from Washington to get the Ukrainian parliament to agree to that. The Russians may also insist on NATO as an organization withdrawing its offer of NATO. Future NATO membership to Ukraine.

Now that will be desperately humiliating for for NATO as an organization, it’s not easy to see how the existing NATO secretary general could remain in office. You know, if that is the the price of it. And that, too would take huge pressure from Trump to bring about. So these questions are open. Then there is the Russian demand for demilitarization, which they’ve never defined in detail.

So there’s plenty of room for compromise there. But we we don’t know what the Russians will demand and what America, let alone Kiev, could agree to.

Well, when you are talking about a peace deal, it always boils down to what’s going on in the ground as well. So when we look into the ground, there are, massive issues with manpower shortages that Ukraine’s suffering from.We are seeing the conscription situation is not in a good spot either, as Zelensky is being pressured into dropping the conscription aged 18, and he’s been resisting so far. If Russia believes Ukraine’s military could collapse within six months, why would it concede on its original demands?

Well, apparently the Russian generals have been telling Putin that, Ukraine will collapse within six months if Russia keeps going. But then the Russian generals have been wrong about so much, you know, have been responsible for so many disasters since the beginning of this war, that it is very hard to see why somebody who is, after all, as intelligent and cynical as Putin would take anything that they say now on trust.

And you see, when it comes to numbers, the crucial thing to remember is that Russia does not actually have such an overwhelming, superiority in numbers because Putin has never dared launch mass conscription in Russia. He is operating with. I mean, and that is a key reason why there has not been more public discontent. While you haven’t seen in Russia the kind of public discontent you see in Ukraine, because, the men going to the army are being very well paid.

This has contributed to a real boom in the economies of the provinces from which they, they come. And he is not, above all, trying to conscript people from Moscow and Petersburg. Now, the question is, I mean, how many more people can Russia recruit while paying these kind of salaries? Without, of course, simply driving inflation through the roof.

So the Russian economy, is also a major factor to continue here because you have had public statements by Russian economic officials warning of the danger of inflation if the war goes on. And obviously Putin is very, very conscious of Russian public opinion and the threat if Russian public opinion turns against him. So I think, you know, there are also serious motives for Putin to seek peace if, of course, he can get a peace that he can represent as a clear Russian victory.

From a military perspective, Russia launched an invasion of Ukraine in 2022 based on maneuver warfare, but it quickly failed. They then shifted their doctrine to a Soviet-style approach relying on heavy artillery and slow advances. Over the past 2–3 years, they have lost so many armored vehicles that the army has almost entirely lost its mechanized strength. Still, I believe the Russian military would want a tactical victory on the battlefield that makes a strategic difference, rather than just a war of attrition. If problems in the Ukrainian army persist, do you think the Russians could shift back from an attritional war to maneuver warfare?

Well, it’s possible that. But as you say. I mean, the thing is that, the Russians no longer have the number of tanks that would make this a probability and also of course, drones have radically reduced the importance of and the capability of tanks on the battlefield. Tanks have become extremely vulnerable. So I think there must be grave doubts over this. Now, I’ve assumed and also been told by Russian sources that if, if Russia could conquer the whole of the Donbas, that could be an opportunity for Putin to declare victory, because going further than that means trying to capture really big urban areas.

And we’ve seen in so many different places, not just in the former Soviet Union, but around the world. How very difficult and costly is that?

Is it not also count for like cities like Sloviansk and Kramatorsk?.

They’re much smaller. You know, here you’re talking about cities of 50,000 people, 100,000 people. Zaporizhzhia is a city of 800,000 people. Kharkiv is a city of more than 2 million people.

When you think about the Russian capture of Mariupol at the beginning of the war, that took months. And, of course, in the process, the city was completely destroyed. So and then if you’re talking about Herson, that requires getting across the Dnieper River. Now, if you the sole and it’s very unless, unless the Ukrainian army just collapses completely.

It’s very hard to see that, that that is within Russia’s capability. And so, I mean, if Russia could get the whole of the Donbas through negotiation, I doubt it. Putin is not a military man. If he hadn’t been a military man, Russia might very well not have, you know, experience this disaster. But he’s not I don’t think that he is focused on military glory in this sense if, as I say, but he does need what he can present as a victory, and he is, after all, a quasi dictator, he does control the mass media, not the social media, but television and so forth.

He if he can get enough, he can present this to the to the Russian people as a victory. And if you look at the opinion polls, just as in Ukraine now, according to, Gallup, a large majority of Ukrainians would like peace now, even if it means giving up the hope of recovering the lost territories and perhaps giving up the hope of NATO membership.

So the opinion polls show that a majority of Russians would like peace. Now, even if it means giving up the ambition to capture Herson and Odessa and so on. So I think that, it is within Putin’s capacity to face down his hardliners and reach a deal if, you know, obviously, if the terms of a deal are enough for him. In terms of territory, in terms of NATO membership, above all.

During his election campaign, Donald Trump claimed he could end the war in a single day, but that didn’t happen. During weeks of negotiations between the U.S. and Russia, long-range strategic attacks were carried out on major cities like Kyiv. This angered Trump and led to a social media spat with Medvedev. Afterwards came the deployment of nuclear submarines and the imposition of additional U.S. tariffs on India for purchasing Russian energy. Today, talks for a permanent peace agreement have resumed. What was Trump’s purpose in sending nuclear submarines and imposing extra tariffs on India?

I think this is absolutely classic Trump. You know, you make a melodramatic move, you look very tough. This whole moving of the submarines was a completely empty gesture. You know, America has nuclear submarines permanently at sea targeting Russia. I mean, moving them, it doesn’t mean anything and any more, by the way, than Medvedev’s statement meant anything.

You know, he’s not the president. He’s not. He has no real authority in Russia. He’s a blowhard. He’s allowed to be a blowhard like Putin. But that doesn’t mean he represents Putin. So I think, you know, classic Trump. You bluster, you threaten, and then you try to do a deal. Now the question is, though, we saw that with North Korea in Trump’s first term, and then it collapsed because Trump did not have the concrete proposals.

He was not prepared or possibly even knowledgeable enough. To do a detailed deal with the North Koreans. Could that be the case now with Putin? I hope not. And I think the stakes here for Trump are so high that I hope he will have taken really good professional advice on what he needs to offer. But another point here is that, you know, Trump has declared these, impending hasn’t been imposed yet, sanctioned secondary sanctions against India over Russian oil.

Now a large part of the US security establishment is desperate, desperate to get out of this, because, you know, India has been absolutely central to the whole of U.S. strategy in Asia when it comes to containing China Indians. Also, by the way, have an important lobby, political lobby within America. Now, this threat of tariffs has infuriated Indian public opinion and the Indian government.

It’s deeply embarrassed Modi, you know, who has portrayed himself as a close friend of Trump, and it risks doing really deep and enduring damage if these sanctions go ahead to the Indian economy. And therefore to the US Indian relationship. So, you know, I think you’ve got a lot of people saying, now, look, we we’ve, we’ve we need a deal in Ukraine so that we don’t have to impose these sanctions on India. I think that’s an important, an important point.

One final question on Ukraine situation. So obviously Europe is not on the exactly on the same page with the United States when it comes to Ukraine. And maybe some of the European countries do not mind continuing, the war by by their own support. But in a case where, United States and Russia, are not able to get into a deal, a peace deal, and the United States completely withdraws from all kinds of negotiations and also the military aid as well. Do you think Europe is capable of handling this war by itself?

No, no, I mean, in principle, yes, if you look at the overall size of the European economies, but if you look at the pressure on European budgets, from a combination of economic stagnation, the cost of European rearmament and the need, you know, to maintain, social welfare spending, no, they’re not.

And of course, the key point is that all the existing European governments and establishments are looking over their shoulder. At the populist challenge from the right and the left. And clearly, you know, when you get into a business of severely cutting health services, pensions, social welfare, in order to help Ukraine, you, you will be in a situation in which you are virtually ensuring a victory for the radicals down the line.

And in the end, I think the European establishments will opt for political self-preservation. And that’s also why I think that if some, you know, if Trump is willing to threaten this, in order to get them to agree to a, a Ukraine peace deal, which they will hate, of course, but I think they will have no choice but to fall in line.

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Daniel Davis warns US strategy fails against Iranian defense grid

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Retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel and military analyst Daniel Davis discussed the US military operation against Iran, decision-making mechanisms in Washington, US-Israel relations, transformations in modern warfare doctrine, and the global balance of power in an interview with Harici Media.

Answering questions of Harici Editor-in-Chief Tunç Akkoç regarding the Iran war, retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis stated that the US administration lacks an achievable military strategy on the ground. Davis said: “I would say the US has a desire, not a strategy. It wants to subjugate the Iranian side, corner them, seize control of the Strait of Hormuz, prove they pose no threat to anyone in the region, and ensure they never possess nuclear weapons. That is our desire. But there is no strategy to achieve any of these goals.”

Drawing on his past military experience, Davis detailed the geographical and technical challenges on the ground: “As a soldier with direct combat experience, having gained combat experience in some of these mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example, I know that many of the mountains inside Iran belong to the same mountain category. I knew what a difficult military task it would be to conquer a country as large as most of Western Europe, where such mountain ranges cover the entire western front. Therefore, I knew you could do nothing on the ground. However, I also knew that you could not subjugate a country with this kind of defense capacity and of this nature through air power alone.”

Pointing out that Iran’s defense infrastructure spans many years, Davis continued: “You cannot do this, especially when they have anticipated this for twenty years and made all kinds of preparations by constructing underground caves, production facilities, and storage facilities, and developing production capabilities for their unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles. There is no way you can defeat them. Because such facilities were designed not only to withstand all our strike missiles, such as Tomahawk, Jasmine cruise missiles, PSM, or ATAC, but also to survive. Most are capable of surviving nuclear explosions as well. I have been inside some of these here in the US. I have been in some physically located beneath a mountain. I know they were specifically designed when constructed to withstand the largest nuclear weapons the Soviet Union might possess. The ones there are of the same kind. If you know before embarking on an act of starting a war that the enemy is this large, possesses these types of defenses, and everyone knows these are resistant to our non-nuclear conventional munitions, why would you start a war to force them into something you clearly cannot achieve?”

Addressing the assumptions behind the war decision, Davis said: “I think this is a fantasy stoked by Benjamin Netanyahu. It was said, ‘If we assassinate their leaders, the same thing will happen as happened to Maduro in Venezuela. You went there, captured him, and disabled him; when you did that, you took control of the entire government, they basically handed the country over to you, and the same will happen here.’ Anyone who thinks Venezuela is like Iran has paid attention to nothing. The culture, history, religion, experiences, and everything that has transpired over the last 47 years are radically different from those in Venezuela, and you do not have an insider to facilitate the process as we had in Venezuela. But President Trump appears to have thought this way.”

“When he started the war on February 28, he sealed our fate; we lost this war”

Pointing to inconsistencies in US President Donald Trump’s decisions and the trajectory of the operation, Davis stated: “This situation is proof that he is stuck. Because, in my view, when he started the war on February 28, he sealed our fate. We lost this war. Even if it is ongoing right now, there is no logical way for us to win it. Because we cannot eliminate the trump card held by the Iranian side.”

Stating that military pressure mechanisms are insufficient, Davis explained: “We still have our missiles, aircraft, aircraft carriers, and all such elements. That is why it appears feasible. It is thought, ‘Maybe if we make a good enough deal, or put enough pressure on them, or impose a blockade and leave the public in a dire enough position to change the government’s mind.’ This is a fantasy. This is the only thing President Trump has. Because if he were acting based solely on military reality, strategic reality, and cultural and religious reality, he would know this was an unwise move, but he does not know.”

Describing Trump’s negotiation approach and the breakdown of the reached agreement, Davis used the following expressions: “He is a transactional individual who wants relationships resolved overnight. For example, during the memorandum of understanding period, this duration was to be 60 days. After starting the war, no achievable military objectives remained. Whatever your desires were, you can no longer reach them because you have confronted reality. Now he is trying to find an exit route, but even within this understanding, he cannot arrive at a rational and consistent perspective. Any rational person would think that when the memorandum of understanding was signed on June 17, it provided him with an exit route. You implement the terms of this memorandum, the crisis is resolved, the dual blockade is lifted, and the Strait of Hormuz could reopen.”

Addressing the clauses of the agreement text and subsequent developments, Davis said: “The terms Trump signed stated that Iran had administrative control of the Strait of Hormuz but could not demand any transit fees for 60 days. Iran accepted this, but accepted only one condition: the ‘for 60 days only’ stipulation. Subsequently, they publicly announced that they would collect fees later, but not during these 60 days. The US was not mentioned in the text in any way. We had no say. The authority to decide how operations would run was left to Iran together with Oman. We gave them 30 of the 60 days to prepare their plan for this. But after four or five days passed, the US suddenly declared a new southern corridor together with Oman.”

Detailing the process of reversing the decision, Davis noted: “While a step to reopen the strait had been agreed upon, traffic had risen to approximately one-third of pre-war levels, and many shipments had passed directly on the first day, Trump personally turned back this development toward finding a reasonable exit route from the unfolding disaster. According to reports from some sources in Washington, he came under intense pressure from pro-war figures in his inner circle and those on the Israeli side. He backed down under this pressure and modified the terms by inserting himself into the fifth paragraph. He never made Israel implement the first paragraph, which covered Lebanon and envisioned a ceasefire on all fronts. We did not even give them 30 days; we intervened before five days had passed. Trump has a goal, fails to reach it, puts forward another condition, and then withdraws that as well. He is very easily manipulated; he reaches a decision, then someone speaks with him, and he changes his mind.”

Recalling that a similar situation occurred in relations with Saudi Arabia, Davis said: “He said he made a great deal with Saudi Arabia, and the next day he changed the condition by saying, ‘as long as they sign the Abraham Accords.’ Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, announced that this was not part of the agreement and had never been discussed. This situation shows that President Trump constantly makes concessions when pressured. On this basis, how can any agreement be reached with the US? This situation means that no military or diplomatic exit point remains because he does not permit it.”

“Control is no longer an economic matter; it is a national security imperative”

In response to a question about whether a mutual exit opportunity remains from the current impasse, Davis said: “We had the memorandum of understanding; we had secured this agreement. However, President Trump and his Secretary, Scott Bessent, said, ‘as long as it is a deal we like, we want a new deal.’ You already had a deal; what deal are you talking about now? Why would the Iranian side negotiate a new deal that differs from an agreement made two months ago? This is completely illogical. The Iranian side holds military superiority through its missile cities and half a dozen alternative methods to control the strait. As their official authorities stated on social media, control of the strait is no longer merely an economic matter; it is a national security imperative because it is the only tool with which they can balance their American adversary, who is far stronger militarily.”

Evaluating the impact of the oil crisis, Davis stated: “Strategic Petroleum Reserves are declining. This situation has prevented a crisis so far, but it cannot cover products like jet fuel, diesel, and fertilizer. If it continues this way and the problem is postponed, the reserves will be depleted one day, and economic activity cannot be sustained without oil. Pressure is on President Trump, and the Iranian side is aware of this. They know the blockade will harm them, but they have calculated that they can endure much longer and deeper pain than our side. This is an existential matter; they know that if they surrender their only trump card to an unpredictable president, they will be attacked again later.”

“Reflexive support for Israel in society has been broken”

Touching upon relations between the US and Israel, Davis said a clear divergence has begun in American society. Davis noted: “In the past, across all segments of society and all generations, it was reflexively said, ‘Of course we are pro-Israel, they are our democratic ally.’ This situation continued until the Gaza process following October 7. Israel was attacked on October 7, and no one found it strange that it responded. However, what happened afterward created problems. Israel used this opportunity to destroy the Gaza Strip, increase pressure in the West Bank, bring in new settlers, and discuss annexation.”

Describing the rift between political elites and the public, Davis explained: “There is a major divide in America. Elites are unaffected by genocide or the killing of women and children in the West Bank and Gaza; they close their eyes, arguing that Israel is an ally. However, the eyes of the American public are not closed. They see human suffering on social media and do not carry the memorized assumptions of the past. These elites are not merely bought with money; for decades, they genuinely believed that our interests and Israel’s interests were one and the same. In their minds, saying something negative about Israel is equivalent to saying something negative about the US. Younger generations in particular, and a growing portion of all generations, recognize that our interests are not the same.”

Drawing attention to the cost of the war to the US, Davis noted: “We elected President Trump to apply the America First principle, not Israel first, Britain first, or Germany first. There is anger against those who sacrificed America’s needs by entering the war. According to figures reflected in the public domain, at least 600 Americans were injured; according to what I have heard, this number is over a thousand. Money has been spent, our facilities have been damaged, and our aircraft destroyed; around 40 to 50 of our aircraft were damaged or destroyed. Our bases were ruined and will likely never be rebuilt. We have also lost our geopolitical influence in the region. I doubt that relations with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait can return to their former state. Because the foundational assumption of this entire structure was that we could protect them; we could not even protect ourselves.”

“We are still living as if it were 1992”

Evaluating the shift in military technology, Davis stated that the US has lost its traditional military superiority. Davis said: “A large number of people in America are still living as if it were 1992. The Soviet Union had just collapsed, China was a peasant army developing militarily and economically, and we held absolute dominance following Operation Desert Storm. We are no longer in 1992. The Russians corrected their mistakes after the initial phase of the Ukraine war in 2022; they became a much stronger land force, missile, and drone force. China, meanwhile, reached immense technological and industrial capacity.”

Explaining the current situation through the example of Iran, Davis said: “We thought we could crush Iran like a fly, but we could not do so due to their missile cities and technologies. If we cannot eliminate Iran, what can we do against China or Russia, which possess power far beyond that? We have fallen behind in categories such as hypersonic missiles and the new Oreshnik missile. When I saw the Bayraktar TB2 vehicles used by the Turks in the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war, as someone with an armored unit background, I understood that the nature of war had changed. The US, meanwhile, talks about producing 300,000 drones by 2030. In an environment where tactics change every six weeks on the Ukrainian and Russian battlefield, our systems remain extremely slow. Ukrainian soldiers mocked the tank platoon manual published last year, saying that with these methods, one could not survive on the battlefield for even ten minutes.”

“The idea of containing China is a fantasy”

Criticizing the US military approach toward China, Davis evaluated: “There is talk of a strategy to militarily contain China. Will you prevent their activities within their own borders, their technological developments, or the expansion of their military? You cannot stop a country with a strong economy and a massive population. We can achieve no result other than entering a war with China in the Asia-Pacific region and losing it. China’s shipbuilding capacity is approximately 200 times ours; they are vastly superior to us in artillery ammunition, aircraft, and missile production. Our methods left over from the Cold War no longer work. What we need to do is keep our own defense strong and ensure deterrence, not spend billions of dollars in the region to establish forward bases that will be hit.”

Touching upon the potential for diplomatic relations between the two countries, Davis said: “I think President Trump personally knows that going to war with China is unwise. However, the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex view China as a constant enemy, demanding more budget, more bases, and more missiles every year. No one considers diplomacy. Yet we can develop peaceful, stable relations with China based on mutual benefit, even if not friendly. Regarding Taiwan as well, I think leaders realize after seeing what occurred in the Middle East and Ukraine that help will not come, and they will adopt a more cooperative stance by withdrawing independence rhetoric. China does not want to start a war; it desires a model similar to Hong Kong. Even if a conflict breaks out in the worst-case scenario, it is between China and Taiwan; the US should not choose to join the war and lose.”

Emphasizing that the arms lobby inside the US maintains its power, Davis stated: “The military-industrial complex remains extremely powerful and holds all levers of power. They maintain control through members of Congress, the media, and public relations networks; I see no sign that this structure is weakening.”

“They did not want someone who would tell the truth about Israel”

Providing information about the process surrounding the cancellation of his appointment within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Davis recounted the issue in these words: “When Tulsi Gabbard came to me and asked me to become the number three executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, I said I would be honored to serve my country. However, I stated that I had openly opposed the policies pursued by Israel since October 7 and the war in Gaza and Lebanon, and that these views might not be welcomed within the administration. She thought my accurate past analyses would compensate for this situation. One of my duties was to present the daily intelligence briefing to the president.”

Describing the stage at which his candidacy was withdrawn, Davis said: “Articles against me appeared in the Israeli press and American media. I never hid my views; I said Benjamin Netanyahu’s policies were harming Israel and dragging us down as well. I advocate the ‘America First’ principle, but there are many people within the administration who say ‘Israel First’ and have zero tolerance for any criticism directed at Netanyahu. They did not want someone who would tell the truth regarding Israel. The process expanded following posts by figures like Laura Loomer. On the day I passed the CIA polygraph test and was set to begin duty, Susie Wiles was informed that I had put the president in a difficult position regarding the Russia-Ukraine war. While Trump was saying there would be a ceasefire, I stated on my program that Vladimir Putin would not agree to a ceasefire given his current advantage. Although I stated that I supported a ceasefire, this was made a pretext, and my appointment offer was withdrawn,” completing the interview.

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Quincy Institute expert says the United States had no plan B

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In an interview with Harici Media, Trita Parsi, Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, stated that global unipolarity is coming to an end, transitioning into an increasingly multipolar order.

Parsi addressed shifting global power dynamics, US foreign policy toward China, structural domestic pressures in Washington, and the strategic miscalculations surrounding the ongoing US conflict with Iran.

Parsi noted that while many analysts declare the arrival of a post-American world, the transition will not be an abrupt moment. Instead, he described a phased emergence where it becomes clear that no single superpower possesses deterministic influence over global affairs.

Parsi observed that many governments have been slow to internalize this reality or adjust their policies accordingly, creating the superficial illusion that a unipolar system remains intact. “Whether it’s fully multipolar or other configurations, we can be debated. What I think is clear is that the unipolarity is coming to an end,” Parsi said.

“Unipolarity is an aberration, an abnormality”

Regarding Washington’s readiness for a multipolar world, Parsi asserted that the US political establishment remains unprepared and has historically denied the shift. He recalled that during the first two years of the Biden administration, describing the world as multipolar was dismissed as a Russian propaganda narrative.

However, Parsi highlighted a shift under US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who stated in a February 2025 interview that unipolarity was an anomaly. Parsi explained, “He actually went further. He said that unipolarity is an aberration, an abnormality, a historical accident. If you believe that it’s a historical accident, if you believe that it’s an abnormality, then I think it comes from that, that any effort to try to restore unipolarity should be rejected.”

Addressing US policy toward China, Parsi noted that despite the summit between US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, there is no structural indication that Washington views Beijing as a potential partner rather than a rival.

He contrasted the Biden administration’s aggressive posture—which assumed an existential struggle for dominance—with the Trump administration’s softer but poorly planned approach.

Parsi argued that neither power can decisively defeat the other, making mutual coexistence and co-governance essential to avoid a catastrophic zero-sum confrontation.

“An effort to indefinitely contain China is a recipe for disaster”

Parsi rejected the feasibility of military containment against Beijing, warning of severe consequences. “I think an effort to indefinitely contain China is a recipe that will bring about great power competition and a confrontation between the US and China that is going to be completely disastrous,” Parsi stated.

He observed that despite significant US strategic errors, such as the conflict with Iran, China has exercised restraint rather than exploiting American vulnerabilities. Parsi argued that if Beijing were dead-set on aggressive power competition, it would have acted differently.

Economically, Parsi argued that containing China through tariffs or Soviet-era containment models is a losing proposition.

Unlike the Soviet Union, which maintained an isolated economic model, China is deeply integrated into global trade and serves as the primary trading partner for most nations, including those in Latin America such as Brazil. Parsi emphasized that economic containment is unviable against a state with such vast global integration.

“This confrontation will be the deadliest conflict in human history”

Evaluating the risk of the “Thucydides Trap,” Parsi criticized the Washington foreign policy establishment for its structural inability to envision peaceful coexistence.

He noted that the political culture in Washington is built around zero-sum competition and conflict rather than diplomatic management.

Parsi emphasized that while historical precedents exist, humanity is not bound to repeat them, particularly when the stakes involve existential risks. Parsi warned that an unmanaged confrontation between the US and China “would be the deadliest conflict in human history if it is allowed to happen,” threatening human survival itself.

Parsi attributed this narrow strategic focus to structural domestic forces, particularly the US military-industrial complex and influential lobbying groups. Working alongside the grand strategy of liberal hegemony, these forces require US military dominance worldwide, especially in Asia.

Parsi explained that institutional inertia makes it extraordinarily difficult for Washington to alter its strategic trajectory.

“The US had an unrealistic plan A and no plan B”

Turning to the conflict with Iran, Parsi asserted that Washington lacks a coherent strategy, having relied on an unrealistic plan that failed within the first three days.

He stated that the US expected a swift regime collapse or surrender within four days, but faced horizontal escalation from Iran, including threats to the Strait of Hormuz and regional strikes.

“The United States had a very unrealistic plan A and no plan B, and it’s been stuck in that situation ever since,” Parsi said, adding that Washington has been improvising and executing tactical operations without strategic success.

Parsi attributed President Trump’s shifting decisions on Iran to this absence of strategy and his personal demand for immediate results. When military action failed to yield swift progress, Trump turned to diplomacy, only to lose patience within three weeks and resume military strikes. Parsi questioned whether the global community could afford a superpower acting in such an erratic manner.

“Without Israel’s push, there would not have been a war with Iran”

Addressing Israel’s role, Parsi stated that Israeli pressure was a decisive factor in driving US policy toward confrontation with Iran.

“Without Israel’s push, there would not have been a war with Iran. Without Trump agreeing to the Israelis, there would not have been a war with Iran. Both of them were needed,” Parsi remarked, noting that Israeli efforts since 1995 elevated Iran into a primary US national security concern disproportionate to actual US interests in the region.

Parsi identified a growing divergence between US and Israeli interests in the Middle East. While the US benefits from reducing its regional military footprint of 50,000 troops, Israel requires continuous US military presence and intervention to maintain a favorable regional balance of power.

Parsi noted that this divergence has created a visible rift between Washington and Tel Aviv following the poor execution of the war and subsequent diplomatic maneuvers.

“Israel’s standing amongst the American public has plummeted”

Parsi highlighted a major shift in American public opinion regarding Israel, noting that sympathy for Palestinians has surpassed sympathy for Israel across almost every demographic category, except Republicans over the age of 65.

He attributed this decline directly to Israel’s military actions in Gaza and its perceived role in drawing the US into a disastrous war with Iran, which mirrored earlier public grievances over the Iraq War.

Regarding a resolution to the conflict, Parsi stated that a dignified exit for both the US and Iran remains possible, though the window is narrowing due to personal hostility and political miscalculations.

Finally, addressing Trump’s political image, Parsi clarified that Trump was never strictly anti-war, but rather anti-risk.

He explained that Trump entered the conflict because Israeli officials convinced him that war with Iran posed little risk and would be concluded within 100 hours. Parsi concluded that had Trump not been misled into believing the operation would be a swift success, he would not have initiated it.

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Why did Trump step back from a decision to launch a new attack on Iran?

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Conflicting statements from the US and Iran regarding the potential resumption of diplomatic negotiations have emerged, while ongoing tensions in the Strait of Hormuz have once again brought global energy concerns to the fore.

Addressing these developments on the Harici live broadcast of Strategic Compass, international relations scholar Prof. Dr. Hasan Unal and Alptekin Dursunoglu, journalist, author, and Editor-in-Chief of Yakin Dogu Haber (YDH), evaluated the internal, regional, and strategic dimensions of the conflict. The discussion focused on the shift in Iran’s military doctrine, the political strain within the US administration, the economic vulnerability of Gulf monarchies, and the broader realignments reshaping Middle Eastern geopolitics.

Why did Trump step back from a decision to launch a new attack on Iran?

Opening the discussion, Prof. Dr. Hasan Unal offered a sharp critique of the political rhetoric originating from Washington, contrasting executive declarations with the tactical outcomes on the ground. Unal argued that public statements made by former US President Donald Trump increasingly lack analytical consistency, complicating efforts to decipher official US strategy.

“He has reached a point where he tells more lies than the daily meowing of stray cats,” Unal remarked during the broadcast. “I do not know which part of his statements we ought to analyze, but if we evaluate him within a broader framework, it becomes possible to reach certain conclusions.”

Unal described the military confrontation between Washington and Tehran as an uneven cycle of escalation, noting that US forces continue to suffer casualties and incur immense financial costs without altering the strategic baseline. “The situation has effectively transformed into something like a defeated wrestler who never grows tired of wrestling; America repeatedly approaches and confronts Iran, yet the outcome is obvious from the outset,” Unal stated. He added that American military personnel are being deployed into conflict zones where national interests remain obscure: “I am certain that American soldiers there largely believe they have no personal interests at stake… and that it serves at most the interests of Israel.”

Dursunoglu contextualised the current phase of hostilities as part of an extended campaign, comparing the recent clashes to a second round of a broader regional conflict following earlier engagements in 2025. He noted that despite assertive claims from Washington regarding the destruction of Iranian military infrastructure, operational continuity on the Iranian side forced a shift in US messaging.

Reflecting on official declarations from US Central Command (CENTCOM) and executive statements following intensive strikes, Unal highlighted the internal contradictions in Washington’s narrative: “Trump claimed Iranian naval forces were sent to the bottom of the sea, the air force beyond the atmosphere, and the ground forces deep into the magma. Yet suddenly he declared, ‘I have forgiven Iran,’ while CENTCOM figures suggested they had reached ‘target saturation’—as if there was simply nothing left to hit.”

Is Iran insisting on its conditions regarding the Strait of Hormuz?

A central focus of the analysis was Iran’s response mechanism following the breakdown of initial ceasefire frameworks. Dursunoglu highlighted a significant structural transition in Tehran’s military posture, moving from traditional reactive containment to proactive deterrence across multiple theatres.

Dursunoglu pointed out that during the escalation, Iran did not restrict its target matrix to immediate points of contact. Instead, Iranian forces conducted strikes against US installations and logistical networks across the region, including facilities in Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, and Oman.

“Iran’s traditional defence doctrine was defensive and based on proportional retaliation,” Dursunoglu explained. “However, after the US halted strikes, Iran proceeded to target assets in Jordan and Kuwait without immediate prior attacks on those specific vectors. This indicates that Iran has begun executing preemptive strikes, effectively adapting its strategic posture.”

Unal underscored the severity of these strikes on regional logistics, noting that Iranian counter-strikes targeted the port of Aqaba and airport infrastructure in Jordan, alongside American operational facilities in the Gulf. “According to the accounts, Iranian forces began hitting American installations in Gulf states and Jordan within minutes of initial strikes, effectively neutralizing the operational depth the US relied upon,” Unal noted.

The operational status of the Strait of Hormuz remains a decisive point of leverage. Under previous draft frameworks negotiated through Omani mediation, administrative oversight of maritime traffic through the Strait was slated to transition to Iran in coordination with regional littoral states. However, subsequent US efforts to establish an independent naval corridor along the Omani coast triggered a fresh wave of Iranian interdictions.

Dursunoglu outlined the ongoing negotiations surrounding the maritime passage, noting that attempts to bypass Iranian oversight proved unviable for commercial shipping. Under the latest proposals under discussion via Omani channels, incoming maritime traffic into the Gulf would pass through Iranian-designated corridors under Iranian authorization, while outgoing traffic would proceed along Omani coastal waters following notification and approval.

“If an agreement is finalized on these terms, it represents an explicit recognition of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz by the US regime,” Dursunoglu said. He noted that while initial terms provided free passage during a temporary 60-day window, long-term frameworks anticipate structured administrative mechanisms for commercial vessels. Unal added: “Whether designated as transit fees, environmental charges, or security provisions, formalizing maritime oversight secures a permanent structural advantage for Tehran.”

Under what conditions will negotiations begin?

The economic ramifications of maritime disruption have also altered the calculations of Gulf export nations. Following attempts by Saudi Arabia to engage Ansar Allah (Houthi) forces in Yemen, retaliatory actions against critical infrastructure—including the Yanbu crude oil pipeline on the Red Sea—severely constrained alternative export routes.

“By drawing Yemeni forces back into active conflict, Saudi Arabia inadvertently placed its secondary export avenues under direct fire,” Unal observed. “The vulnerability of the Yanbu pipeline demonstrates that reliance on the Gulf cannot be bypassed easily, effectively increasing regional dependence on stability within the Strait.”

Beyond the maritime domain, the broadcast addressed heavy Iranian military engagements in northern Iraq, targeting opposition groups including the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), Komala, Pak, and Free Life Party of Kurdistan (PJAK) along the Erbil-Suleimaniyeh axis.

Dursunoglu and Unal noted that cross-border strikes destroyed substantial ammunition depots established near border regions, followed by reported ground operations conducted by specialized Iranian units.

“Iranian special forces executed targeted ground operations across the border,” Dursunoglu stated, pointing to secondary explosions captured in operational footage as evidence of extensive pre-positioned armaments.

Unal noted that these operations underscored the strategic limitations of non-state actors aligned with Washington: “The expectations placed on armed factions in northern Iraq collapsed when confronted with direct military pressure. The narrative that these groups could serve as an internal wedge against Tehran proved to be a costly miscalculation for US planners.”

Reports indicating the start of a repositioning of US personnel and heavy military equipment from bases in Iraq and the Gulf toward Jordan and Israel were identified as a direct consequence of this vulnerability. “US forces are consolidating toward Jordan and Israel because their facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait sustained structural operational damage,” Dursunoglu observed. “When a state can no longer defend its forward command centers—such as the 5th Fleet infrastructure in Bahrain—it is forced to retreat to secondary defensive perimeters.”

How effective is the pressure from Gulf countries for negotiations?

Concluding the evaluation, Unal and Dursunoglu examined the broader diplomatic landscape, focusing on security dialogues among regional powers, including Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. Both analysts agreed that any sustainable security architecture in the Middle East must incorporate Iran rather than seek its exclusion.

“How can you construct a new regional order by excluding the very nation that demonstrated the capacity to neutralize external military dominance?” Dursunoglu questioned. “An architecture that relies on Western guarantees or Israeli alignment fails to address the underlying security dynamics of the region.”

Unal reflected on the historical trajectories of Turkish foreign policy, criticizing past ideological approaches that fuelled regional fragmentation and sect-based antagonisms. He noted that realpolitik dictates close functional coordination between Ankara and Tehran despite historical differences.

“Iran’s resistance ultimately prevented the imposition of a security framework dictated entirely by external actors,” Unal concluded. “Responsible analysis requires recognizing that stability in the Middle East cannot be achieved through foreign intervention or regional fragmentation, but through direct, autonomous security coordination among the region’s core nations.”

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