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Pascal Lottaz: US sanction system coming apart

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Russian President Vladimir Putin made his first foreign visit to China since leaving office. “These two men seem to be inseparable” (Le temps) and “Moscow and Beijing underline their common goal of reforming the global order” (Der Spiegel).

Meanwhile, the headlines are dominated by the “peace conference” to be hosted by Switzerland, while the Russian armed forces continue their offensive to create a “sanitary zone” in Kharkiv to protect the border regions of Belgorod and Kursk from Ukrainian long-range rocket and artillery attacks.

Dr. Pascal Lottaz is an Associate Professor for Neutrality Studies at Kyoto University’s Faculty of Law. He received his MA and PhD from the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies (Japan) and specializes on neutral actors in international relations, especially on neutrality during the two World Wars and during the Cold War.

Let’s start with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first foreign visit since his re-election. In Beijing, Putin and Xi signed a declaration on deepening comprehensive partnership. What do you think about the nature of relations between Russia and China?

The relationship is now definitely deepening even further but the relationship is very much one of economic nature, not military as it is sometimes portrayed in western media. Russia and China are not in an alliance, but they are partnering to enhance each other’s economic, technological, trade, etc. fortunes and build an alternative trade system from what we have known over the past 30 years after the end of the Cold War when all trade was essentially tethered to the US Dollar and US-led trade institutions. The fact that Vladimir Putin brought almost his entire government with him to China and especially the governor of the Russian central bank as well as the finance minister tells us that the talks are strategic and go very deep. My best guess is that they are working on financial mechanisms that would smoothen trade and probably function as preparatory steps towards mechanisms in the larger BRICS club.

A peace conference is being held in Switzerland without Russia’s participation. What does it mean that heads of state are meeting to discuss peace in Ukraine when one of the two main actors is not at the table?

I’m very skeptical toward this “peace summit” since it obviously can’t achieve peace. If they called it “peace process summit”, that would make more sense, because that’s even what the president of Switzerland’s federal council said what it is, a step in the process toward a peace. So, while I think the approach for a proper peace summit is wrong–which would obviously need Russia at the table, something might come out of it. And we see that some nations that are very skeptical of the West’s approach, like Hungary, also see it that way because they are willing to participate while still criticizing the approach. I think the summit was originally planned as another step in the pressure game that had been going on of naming and shaming Russia (adding in sanctions) to increase diplomatic pressure on it, since the summit is an outcome of these “Zelensky Peace Formula” meetings that had been going on several times and the rhetoric is still the same from the West at the moment, that the Zelensky Peace Formula has to be the backbone of a peace agreement.

However, what this might morph into is kind of the West’s consolidated starting point of a real peace negotiation and hence the outcome of the summit might still be useful in some sense as it might open avenues for actual negotiations. I’m not sure this is what it will be but in the most optimistic scenario, the outcome document might be something that the Russians (and some third-party mediator like China) might actually be able to work with in some sense. But maybe that’s just my hopeless optimism speaking. It’s very well possible that the entire affair will go down as simply another Western PR stunt to make it seem as if though “the whole world is against Russia” which is neither true, nor will it move the Russian’s even an inch from their course. We have seen many, many such moments in the past, and this one might become another one.

Today, the global South is back. It is a geopolitical phenomenon rather than a coherent, organized grouping. Do you think these countries represent a new pole in the world?

Absolutely. The way the Global South, as it is now called, has come to the fore is really unprecedented. This is often compared to the Nonaligned Movement of the Cold War, but what we are seeing is much bigger and stronger than that. We are seeing independent poles emerge, China and India first and foremost, but others, too, like Iran and Brazil that used to be pretty constrained by the rules of the game that the US and Europe forged, but by now they are much less constrained and are able not only to coordinate but to act in ways we haven’t seen before. The way in which Iran just was able to assert itself vis-a-vis Israel and the US would have been impossible just a few years ago. But now the US actively tries to avert yet another war because it has reached the limits of its power-projection capabilities and that is also true in the economic realm where US and EU policy is now confined to ever more sanctions (that backfire rather than coerce others) and to pleading and threatening other states, since they lack actual methods of implementation of their demands. We saw this recently with Janet Yellen going to China to beg them to export less to third markets in which the US wants to compete and then by Tony Blinken going over to demand the same but backed up with threats of even more sanctions. And sure enough, now the sanctions are coming but they won’t be able to achieve the goals since the real issue is not Chinese vehicle exports to the US, it’s that US vehicles are not competitive in 3rd markets and that’s something that’s simply out of the realm of US sanctions. So, we are seeing the US sanction system coming apart. It still carries weight but less and less so in the Global South which is now for the first time emancipating these states to go alternative routes. This is very new and the US as well as the EU are utterly unprepared for it. 500 years of Western dominance are coming to a close.

I’d also like to mention the phenomenon of Javier Milei in Argentina. What does the rise of right-wing populist or even outright fascist movements around the world have to do with the financialization of the global economy? Is this rise an anomaly or is it part of a process deliberately orchestrated by the ruling classes?

Well, Milei was able to tap into economic grievances in Argentina, of which there were plenty. I would be careful with the word “fascist” as it is not clear to me that he is aiming for that kind of state organization. To me, Milei is just an outrageous form of Margret Thatcher, who won over people with a lunatic discourse of what the economy is about—an utterly distorted view of economic reality, as I see it. Ironically enough for Argentina, his policies will most likely produce the exact opposite of what he is promising, and drive the country even deeper into financial crisis from which then only the US will be able to save it (since most of Argentina’s external debt is in USD), which, in turn, will hand over the Argentinian economy to the US (even more than before). That is very similar to what happened in Russia after 1990. But to be fair, we have to wait and see if that’s the case. I just can’t see any scenario in which ditching Argentina’s sovereign currency and “dollarizing” (or some softer form of that) is going to be beneficial to Argentina. You need a sovereign and working currency to have any kind of hold over your economy, so Milei’s policies are in my view suicidal for the political economy of Argentina. But you are right, the process will benefit a relatively small elite in Argentina that is already hard-wired into corporate US, and will profit from being the ones who sell out Argentina’s remaining national assets, or function as the middle men to control them. We see this with examples in Guatemala or even Haiti, in which very, very small elites live, work, and have their kids in Florida but still control large parts of wealth in their home countries and they are the first ones to cheer up any kind of economic coercion against their countries as long as they might produce more profits on the top. It’s capitalism at its ugliest but this is still how it works in weak, western economies.

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Indian academician: ‘BRICS is a platform to defuse India-China tensions’

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Dr. Rajiv Ranjan, Associate Professor, East Asian Studies at the University of Delhi, commented on India’s expectations regarding the BRICS Summit to Harici: “I think it is wrong to think that India-China rivalry or disagreements are weakening BRICS. From the Xiamen Summit in 2017 to the Kazan Summit in 2024, BRICS has emerged as one of the international platforms to defuse tensions between India and China. The India-China tension has not affected BRICS in any way.”

While the West is eyeing the points of ‘disagreement’ at the 16th BRICS Summit that started in Kazan, hosted by Russia, an important step came from China and India, two rival countries in the grouping that have been at the forefront of disagreement and conflict between them.

Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said the agreement on military patrols in certain areas brings the situation back to where it was before the deadly border clash in 2020, adding that the “distancing process” with China has been completed. Beijing confirmed that the two sides had “reached a settlement” as a result of “close communication on relevant border issues through diplomatic and military channels”.

This was seen as a development that would pave the way for a meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Kazan. It is expected to be the first official meeting between Xi and Modi since the 2020 conflict, which created a lasting strain in relations between the two countries.

Prior to the summit, Western experts had said that it would be difficult for BRICS to develop a common position and adopt a common stance, especially in light of the conflict between the two countries. However, this development shows that BRICS is playing a positive role in resolving conflicts between member countries.

We discussed the meaning and importance of BRICS for India and New Delhi’s expectations from the Kazan Summit with Assoc. Prof. Rajiv Ranjan from East Asian Studies at the University of Delhi.

What do BRICS mean for India? What are India’s expectations from this summit?

BRICS for India is a grouping of countries which reflects their aspiration to build better world, which is equitable and just. BRICS also represents new reality of these new emerging countries in the world. BRICS is united to help and assist countries of Global South to develop, both economically and politically.

From this summit , which is after recent expansion of BRICS, India hopes to get better voice for countries of Global South. Prime Minister is expected to meet both Russian President Putin and Chinese president Xi Jinping on sidelines of the summit too. This is essential for India to usher the multipolar Asia and world order. India promote trade and economic development, protect interests of global south in climate change negotiations and fight against terrorism.

For Putin, this summit is considered important both symbolically and practically. What do you think? How do you evaluate the importance of this summit for Russia?

Since Russia -Ukraine war, Russia is under sanctions both political and economically by united West. Russia may like to garner support to counter these pressures.

The dispute and competition between China and India is seen as one of the weaknesses of BRICS. Do you agree? On what issues might the two countries clash at this BRICS summit? Is the expansion agenda one of them?

I think this is the wrong way to project and infer that India – China competition or disputes any way weakens BRICS. In fact, BRICS has emerged as one of the international platforms which defuses the tension between India and China, from Xiamen Summit 2017 to Kazan Summit 2024. In no way India China tension has impacted BRICS.

BRICS expansion had enabled India to reach to greater audiences in Global South. As we know that expansion of BRICS is not decided by one member but all so it wrong to say that any one can have more influences or dictate the terms to other.

China had called for BRICS to “transform into a new type of multilateral cooperation mechanism”. China is said to see BRICS as a tool for its political and strategic goals towards the international system. Do you agree?

Ans. Every member countries has its own agenda and objectives. But remember that BRICS is a collective identity and not foreign policy of one country. BRICS is formed to enlarge and protect the interests of its member countries. As PRIME Minister Modi had remarked earlier BRICS is not against any other country. We have to see BRICS as a positive voice in international system and not anti west grouping.

So don’t you agree with the approach that BRICS is an alternative to Western-centered institutions and functioning?

BRICS is an alternative but not necessarily against the west. It is designed to protect and create more equitable and just order. It is not designed to oppose but create complementary to the existing institutions and structures.

BRICS has an important place in the world economy. De-dollarization in trade and alternative payment systems between member countries are on the agenda of this summit. How do you evaluate this? Do you see it realistic?

BRICS, if it can come up with its own currency, then it will provide alternative to existing payment system. Domination of one currency is not good for global south. The world is moving towards multipolar order and thereby it’s natural that there are payment systems which is not controlled and exploited by few institutions or countries. Thereby having more payment alternatives in fact, usher economic multipolarity.

Well, it looks little complicated given the very nature of BRICS and above all of would be united efforts of a group of countries leading to a payment system not dominated by one but true multilateral payment system.

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What awaits Georgia after the elections?

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As an independent state more than 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Georgia faces a number of domestic and international challenges. On the one hand, the small Caucasian country is seeking rapprochement with the European Union and NATO, while on the other it is struggling with geopolitical pressures such as Russia’s occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

In this turbulent period, the Georgian people are once again going to the polls to decide their fate. The parliamentary elections on 26 October have the potential to affect not only the domestic political balance, but also Georgia’s relations with the West and its regional security strategy.

The country’s current political power, the Georgian Dream party, is at the centre of criticism for its tensions with the European Union (EU) and the United States, as well as its close ties with Russia. Georgia’s EU membership process and its struggle for territorial integrity could take a new direction depending on the outcome of these critical elections. It has been reported that Georgia’s EU accession process has been halted following the adoption of the controversial ‘Transparency of Foreign Influence’ law.

Director and founder of News Day Georgia news agency, have been doing journalism for 35 years since the fall of Soviet Union. 

Can you summarize the transformation of Georgia and Georgian politics before and after the Soviet Union? Now, Georgia is at the gate of the European Union. What can you say about today?

These 30 years have been really difficult regarding economic problems. Today we have a really interesting and important moment. We will have Parliamentary elections on October 26. This election is very important but the ruler of today Georgian Dream which was established by billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili has won three parliamentary election until now.

Do you trust the elections in Georgia regarding security?

This is difficult to answer but we have not facts proving that the elections are won illegally. We only have the rumors that there is not election safety. At the pre-election stage, so far, everything is taking place in a more or less normal environment. Before those three elections, things were also same. 

You said that 26 October elections are very important. Georgian Dream has still running the country. What is the scenario for post-election period? Do you think Georgian Dream is going to win the elections once more or what happens if they lose? What are the expected outcomes of the election?

Georgian Dream wants to win the election once more and rule the country until 2030 at least. They say that “We are normal government which gives Georgian people peace but not war.” “If we win, we guarantee our people peace.” This is their campaign discourse: “No war.” They are telling people “you will choose whether you want war or peace by your vote”. But we also have political opposition which will participate in the elections. In general, it’s Georgian people’s choice. People will decide who will win. In my opinion, the majority will vote for the opposition. This is very important that today Georgian Dream has very bad relations with the United States, the EU and NATO. They have good relations only with Russian Federation. The majority of the population is not happy with this situation. Russia has occupied South Ossetia and Abkhazia and this is no good for our country. 

Russia’s strategy is to create a buffer zone in the regions where there is possibility of NATO’s rapprochement. In case there will be a clash between NATO and Russia, those buffer zones will be used. Russia applies the same strategy in Donbass region, in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Do you presume that Georgian Dream is highly aware of this strategy and they believe that if they sustain good relations with Russia, they are preventing more occupation by Russia?

I think this idea will not save the country. Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov said that they will not cancel the recognition of independence in Georgian territory. They recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and now he says that they will not reconsider this situation. There is no question about it. There is not a possibility that if we have close relations with Russia, they will give us our land back. They have already recognized the independence of those regions. In South Ossetia and Abkhazia, there are Russian troops and military bases. 

Majority of Georgian people want South Ossetia and Abkhazia to be returned to Georgia. They want Russian troops to step back. And in this case, the US and the EU do not want to have relations with Georgian government while Georgian Dream is ruling. In the previous week, Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhizde was in the US for the United Nations General Assembly. He received an invitation from the US President Joe Biden for the Gala dinner of the event. Just before one hour of the Gala dinner, the US side cancelled the invitation of Kobakhidze because the US thinks that Kobakhidze is not a friend of the West. Georgian government also declares negative statement regarding the US and the EU.

Then, why did the US invite Georgian Prime Minister in the first if they think that Kobakhidze is not a friend of Washington? And done hour before the event, they decided to cancel. Was it a kind of revenge? Maybe the US wanted to damage the image of Georgia in front of international community.

This is very good question. I don’t know why they invite and then cancel. If they did not invite at all, it would be better. First inviting and then cancelling it is worse. The US might want to damage the image of not Georgia but the government. The US put 60 Georgian politicians from the government in the sanction list, cancelled their visa and also applied financial sanctions. This is because of LGBT and foreign agency law. Yes, I agree that the US did it in purpose. Because, for example, some official delegations come to Georgia from the US or NATO and Georgian government does not meet with them and they ignore them. Georgian government always criticize the US. If you behave in this way and they can do the same or even the worse.

Bidzina Ivanishvili’s Role in Georgian Politics: Despite announcing his retirement, Bidzina Ivanishvili is widely believed to still have a strong influence over Georgian Dream and politics in Georgia. How do you view his continued involvement in politics, and what impact does it have on Georgian democracy?

He is very rich person and he rules all politics in Georgia including government, parliament, justice system and more. He controls everything. That’s why he wanted to stay, so that he could continue to govern not openly. He doesn’t occupy, but he sits there. He is like for democracy in Georgia, this is very bad. And that’s why we can’t develop. If he controls everything, that’s why Americans and Europeans say that this is not democracy and while he is ruling everything we cannot contribute to the democracy of Georgia. For Georgian democracy, 20 years rule of the same party is not good. It is like dictatorship. 

There is another important point. Ivanishvili was also presenting the pre-election program. Now he is emphasizing that we will win, and this time they will remain after this, they will condemn here all the opposition parties, judge them and close the parties. They accuse opposition parties that they started the war with Russia in 2008 and cause the occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. 

Do you think that opposition parties can challenge Georgian Dream in the elections? What do the public polls say? Is there any powerful opposition party which can win against Georgian Dream?

Georgian people will decide whom to win. I cannot say that Georgian Dream has no support. They also have their strong supporters. It is, in this case, hard to tell who is going to win. According to public polls, if there will be election tomorrow, Georgian Dream will get 35% of the votes. Opposition parties’ votes range from 15% to 20%. There are four opposition parties which are united to join elections under the name of “National Movement”. We will see whether the elections will be safe. There will be also international observers to ensure election security. 

We want four or five political parties’ coalition in the Georgian Parliament. Opposition wants coalition but Georgian Dream wants to 60% of the votes so that they can change constitutional law with the majority threshold. They really want to achieve this. But opposition parties want to take place in the parliament to represent different wishes of the people by establishing a coalition.

Georgia recently achieved EU candidate status, an important milestone. However, concerns about de-oligarchizing and democratic backsliding remain. What reforms do you believe are critical for Georgia to move forward with EU integration?

Georgian people want protection of their rights. But Georgian Dream has already passed the law on foreign agents and banning LGBT propaganda. The EU has suspended the cooperation with the government. If there will not be the protection human rights, we will never be a member to the EU. The problem is that Georgian Dream thinks that those are normal laws and they are good. But the majority of people want to join the EU. That’s why we cannot forecast the future about the EU. 

Russia continues to occupy 20% of Georgian territory, including Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Given the complex geopolitical situation, how does Georgia balance its European aspirations with its ongoing relationship with Russia?

This is a difficult question. There is a risk moment now. In my opinion, we need a balance between the Russia and Europe. Until elections, the situation will go the same. But after the elections, the results will show us which direction Georgia is going. Now, Georgian Dream has very close relations with Russia but if opposition wins, things will change. Maybe the relationship with Moscow will not be cancelled totally, but things can change. Now, Russian citizens can enter Georgia and stay without visa up to 3 months. Maybe, after the elections, if opposition wins, there can be visa applied to Russian citizens. 

It looks like with Georgian Dream, it is actually that European Union is a dream. Is that what you mean?

Yes, as long as Georgian Dream governs our country, there will not be relations with the EU and the US. This is what the EU’s special representative of Georgia told publicly short time ago. 

There have been reports of internal conflicts within Georgian Dream, including leadership reshuffles. Do you foresee any significant changes in the party’s structure or leadership ahead of the next elections?

In the backstage of Georgian Dream, there is only Bidzina Ivanishvili. The leader will be the person who he decides to be. There is not much discussion about it.

With Georgia’s strategic location and ongoing territorial disputes, how do you assess the country’s current security strategy, especially in light of regional instability?

Georgia tries to have a strategy but it is very difficult, because Georgia is a small country with three and a half million people. Against whom can we now have this strategy? What can be the only strategy? Here, if you do not want war from Russia you must receive security, as it is in the case of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Or you should take guarantee from even the US or the EU. From the region from whom can we get protection? From Azerbaijan or from Armenia or from Türkiye? Of course, we must think about protecting ourselves looking at the situation of Ukraine. Russia can cause danger in our country. If Georgia will change its direction and be part of NATO and join the EU, then it can receive protection from the West against Russians. 

Media freedom in Georgia has been a topic of concern. How do you view the current state of journalism and media independence in Georgia, particularly in the face of political pressure as a journalist working in media field for 35 years?

I can say that we have press freedom. There are private television channels including Formula TV supporting opposition. But a very rich businessman bought one tv news channel for opposition and he is not involved in the journalism and administration. There is also pro-government tv channel and newspaper which support Georgian Dream. Still, I cannot say that everything is independent. Media is about money and freedom depends on from where the money is coming because income from ads do not enough all the time. There are two options to finance media; either ads or external financing. 

What do you personally think about the laws on foreign agents and banning LGBT propaganda?

In my opinion, they are very bad laws. The law for foreign agents is not about transparency as it is stated to public. They claim that the aim of the law is to reveal the source of the money but we already have the different laws requiring the transparency of the budgets of civil society organizations and regulating the flow of the money. Similarly, LGBT law is also negative. I am not interested in who is sleeping with whom. Everybody is human and they have right to choose their partners. 

But the law is not about involving in the personal or sexual lives of the people but banning to do propaganda about LGBT.

What does propaganda mean? I do not agree with this. They gather as fifty people. They go to city center and make demonstration in Rustaveli Avenue. Cannot they do it? It is their right. According to the law, they must sit at home and do not go out. What is the problem with propaganda? I am not LGBT. Am I going to change because of their propaganda? There is not any problem. It’s nonsense. Today, on internet you can see all type of pornography. I do not see any problem with those demonstrations. Those people are born with LGBT orientation. I have the constitutional right to demonstrate on anything I want. Why do not they have the same right? I do not say that I approve LGBT or I agree with them. I say that they also have their constitutional right to demonstrate or propaganda. 

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Former Cuban Minister of Culture Abel Prieto spoke to Harici: Venezuela is proof that fascism can be stopped

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Within the framework of the First Anti-Fascist Congress, held on September 10 and 11, 2024, we spoke with the renowned Cuban intellectual, Abel Prieto Jimenez, who currently directs the Casa de las Américas, in Havana, Cuba.

Abel Prieto was President of the Union of Writers and Artists of Cuba and on two occasions Minister of Culture of his country. He has also directed the Martiano Program Office and is the President of the “José Martí” Cultural Society. Author of numerous stories and novels such as “The Flight of the Cat” (1991). Deputy to the Cuban National Assembly.

What are your impressions of this Anti-Fascist Congress? 

I am very happy to be here once again in Caracas, at this World Congress against Fascism. I consider that this initiative by President Nicolás Maduro himself, and supporter by social leaders, to call for an analysis between activists, social fighters, and intellectuals from different regions of Venezuela and the world to debate this truly dangerous phenomenon that is doing a lot of damage, that is dragging down poor people, humble people, who are going behind a fascist demagogue who is dragging very young people along.

I speak specifically of the case of Javier Milei in Argentina. It is a grotesque case, very disturbing to see how young people go after a madman like the current Argentine president, an extreme neoliberal. So, it is a moment where the confusion is so great, where there is so much confusion, there are so many disoriented people that fascism can grow. 

That is why it is very important to articulate ourselves in an anti-imperial and anti-fascist front. And in terms of communication and social networks it is vital to think about other communication. Today everything is decided in the media and social networks and that is why it is very important to find the appropriate codes based on ethics. One of the issues, one of the true advantages that the extreme right has, is that they have no ethics whatsoever.

We have to communicate ethically, we do not invent a slander to denigrate, even if it is a fascist. Commander Fidel Casto said that we should never lie nor should we violate our ethical principles. So that is the example, the teaching, that we have to follow. We have to think and make responsible, objective, intelligent communication that is not rhetorical, that is not triumphalist, we have to unite all that core of resistance, and win the battle of communication, which is opening gaps within that wall. of lies, opening a gap and sneaking in the truths of our people.

How would you characterize fascism or neo-fascism today?

Fascism today responds to classic features of fascism, such as violence, exclusion, and an extremist nationalism that always does not question the capitalist system. That is to say, never, even if it has a rhetoric that can speak against globalization, never questions either financial capital or the large multinationals, because they are the ones that really place the Mileis in Argentina, the Bolsonaros in Brazil, the Abascales in Spain, to the Melonis in Italy, and to all the references of those authoritarian rights.

To be anti-fascist today is to not accept in any way that the sovereignty of the countries is in the hands of Washington or other imperialist powers. This fascism of today, allied to neoliberalism, simply wants to reduce us to new slaves of capital forever, because it is associated with the defense of neoliberal doctrine in its most extreme version.

I believe that it is a responsibility to sow anti-fascism and anti-imperialism in the new generations; young people must be prepared, trained in those genuine roots of our people and unravel what fascism implies.

How do we defeat fascism? 

We defeat fascism through the formation and strengthening of an international front of resistance against fascism, against imperialism. There is the Network in Defense of Humanity, created by Commanders Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez, they strategists and visionaries really supported it. The ideologist of the Network in Defense of Humanity was Pablo González Casanova, the great Mexican intellectual, and in 2003, in the midst of the great offensive of George W. Bush, which was also a fascist, imperialist offensive, in its farce “Global crusade against terrorism,” Bush announced the aggression in Iraq, he told the people at West Point, the cadets there that they had to be prepared to invade and occupy 60 or more dark corners of the world.

Tell me if there is anything more fascist than that?

And then this idea of creating a Network Defense of Humanity was generated in Mexico and Fidel immediately supported it. And then, you know, here but 20 years ago in Caracas, a very important event held in December 2004, the fundamental structuring of the Network was given, let’s say, the whole time Chávez was with the people, Chomsky came, Ernesto Cardenal, well, many important people from the Nuestra América resistance came.

What message does Venezuela send to the world today? 

The message that Venezuela sends to the world with the holding of this First Antifascist Congress is one of hope, resistance and creativity. Caracas has established itself as an axis of defense of humanity against the phenomenon of imperialism, capitalism, fascism and other neo-fascist expressions. 

Before there was talk of defending the sovereignty and independence of the countries and peoples of Our America. Now there is talk of defending ourselves from these psychological and cognitive wars that affect the minds of the youngest. 

In that sense, Venezuela shows that it is fighting and resisting the advance of fascism, but as I told you before, fascism must be combative with ethics in communication and with culture. One of the things that should worry us the most is seeing young people voting for fascists. Venezuela is proof that fascism can be stopped, but the groundwork has just begun. Let’s create the International Anti Fascist Front!

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