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AfD, CDU, SPD, and Greens face off in pre-election German TV debate

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A week before the early federal elections in Germany, chancellor candidates from the AfD, CDU/CSU, SPD, and Greens engaged in a heated discussion on controversial issues during a four-way TV debate.

On RTL’s Quadrell program, contrasting viewpoints on topics including the economy, social policy, the war in Ukraine, and the new US administration became evident.

A Forsa poll conducted after the program indicated Friedrich Merz as the winner of the Quadrell. In a survey by the research group on behalf of RTL, 32% of respondents stated that the CDU/CSU candidate impressed them with his performance.

In contrast, only 25% supported Olaf Scholz. Robert Habeck and Alice Weidel tied with 18% each in the audience poll.

Trump initiative is the main topic in Ukraine

US President Donald Trump and his deputy, JD Vance, have emphasized that a ceasefire must be negotiated and peace achieved in Ukraine, stated Alice Weidel, AfD candidate for Chancellor. “We have suffered a lot of insults for this,” Weidel noted, highlighting that the AfD has consistently called for this for nearly three years.

The AfD leader praised Donald Trump as the “right man” to end the war in Ukraine and urged his country to maintain a “neutral mediator” role.

CDU leader and chancellor candidate Friedrich Merz, however, accused Weidel of omitting that Russia initiated the war in Ukraine without justification.

Responding to the AfD leader’s suggestion that Germany should not take sides, he asserted, “No, we are not neutral; we are not in between. We are on the side of Ukraine, and together with Ukraine, we are defending the political order that we have here,” Merz declared.

According to Merz, the Russian president envisions restoring “Greater Russia” and has “NATO territory in his sights.”

Current Chancellor Olaf Scholz of the SPD argued that no one should dictate the fate of Ukraine’s country “as they see fit.”

Robert Habeck, the Greens’ candidate for Chancellor and current Vice Chancellor, contended that Trump and his government have launched “a frontal attack on the Western community of values.”

Habeck maintained that Trump is “questioning the rules-based order and liberal democracy” and therefore sees no issue in “making a deal” with Russian President Vladimir Putin, adding that Europeans “must now stand together.”

Migration debate

The chancellor candidates also diverged on migration.

Chancellor Scholz, for instance, expressed his intent to continue efforts to limit irregular migration: “We will and must continue to do so,” he affirmed.

Merz, conversely, stated that the number of deportations was insufficient and the number of new asylum seekers too high. He also criticized the federal reception program for “particularly vulnerable” individuals from Afghanistan.

The Green’s Habeck argued that the Taliban ruling Afghanistan constituted a “terrorist regime.”

Weidel of the AfD spoke of a “loss of control” in the country.

AfD reminded of ‘Nazism’

During the debate, Chancellor Scholz referenced Germany’s National Socialist past, recalling the words of Alexander Gauland, honorary chairman of the AfD, who stated in June 2018: “Hitler and the Nazis are just bird droppings in over 1,000 years of successful German history.”

Gauland later characterized his statement as “misinterpretable and therefore politically unwise.”

In response, Weidel said, “You can insult me as much as you like here tonight. You insult millions of voters. That doesn’t affect me at all. I only represent these votes.”

Weidel declined to comment on Gauland’s statements despite inquiries from the moderators.

Weidel dismissed comments from her opponents as “outrageous” and described the AfD as a “liberal conservative party.”

Weidel also mentioned that US Vice President JD Vance objected to the “security cordon” policy against the AfD at the Munich Security Conference. “Vance admitted that you cannot build firewalls to exclude millions of voters from the very beginning. He made it clear that we have to talk to each other,” Weidel stated.

Merz, however, characterized the AfD as a “radical right-wing, largely extreme right-wing party” and accused Weidel of holding an “uncritical view” of Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD’s ethno-nationalist wing.

“Björn Höcke and I get on very well,” Weidel said in an interview with the Bild newspaper, describing the earlier attempt to expel Höcke from the AfD as a mistake.

When asked if she considered Höcke suitable for a ministerial position, Weidel replied, “Yes.”

CDU points to SPD and Greens in post-election coalition

CDU leader Merz identified the SPD or the Greens as potential coalition partners after the Bundestag elections on February 23 and ruled out collaboration with the AfD.

Noting his reservations about the FDP, Merz added that he was quite confident that “sensible talks will be possible” after the elections.

Scholz, Habeck, Merz, and Weidel also appeared on the Klartext program on ZDF last Thursday. The four are scheduled to meet again this evening on ARD’s Wahlarena program, where questions will be posed by citizens.

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Germany considers transferring Nord Stream 2 to US control

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In Germany, discussions are underway regarding the potential transfer of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to US control. The pipeline became unusable following sabotage in September 2022. The aim is to resume the flow of Russian gas to Europe.

According to a report by Bild newspaper, negotiations are ongoing to reach an agreement.

Meanwhile, some politicians from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), led by Friedrich Merz, who was recently elected as prime minister, have suggested that natural gas imports from Russia could resume after the war in Ukraine ends.

CDU Member of Parliament Thomas Bareiss stated that Nord Stream 2 could be used for supplies, saying, “If peace is restored, relations normalize, and embargoes gradually ease, then, of course, gas could flow again, perhaps through a pipeline now under US control.”

Jan Heinisch, the deputy chairman of the CDU group in the North Rhine-Westphalia State Parliament, also stated that Germany should consider buying Russian gas again if a “fair and reliable” peace agreement is signed in Ukraine.

Heinisch added, “Whether this will be done by sea or via a pipeline remains to be seen.”

At the same time, Heinisch emphasized that Germany should not be dependent on a single supplier and should avoid situations where prices are “dictated.”

Heinisch is involved in developing the energy policy of the future ruling coalition consisting of the CDU, CSU, and SPD.

On the other hand, Free Democratic Party (FDP) Member of Parliament Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann claimed that the CDU is “already making efforts” to resume natural gas imports from Russia, undermining the country’s hard-won energy independence from Russia.

However, there are those within the CDU who do not want such cooperation to resume.

Party member Ruprecht Polenz said, “Vladimir Putin’s Russia can never be trusted again, and Donald Trump has shaken confidence in America. Therefore, the coalition agreement should rule out the reactivation of the Nord Stream pipeline.”

CDU foreign policy expert Roderich Kiesewetter also criticized this step.

Kiesewetter said, “Those who have always opposed sanctions, those who want Nord Stream to work again and want to pounce on cheap Russian gas again, those who do not care about the genocide suffered by the Ukrainian people, each of them would be extremely pleased with such a rapprochement.”

In addition, SPD Member of Parliament Michael Roth stated that Bareiss’s proposal was an inappropriate signal at the wrong time, coming from someone who had “obviously learned nothing from recent history.”

The German Ministry of Economy, led by Robert Habeck of the Green Party, stated that Nord Stream 2 has not been approved and has not received legal approval, and “there is no question of operating it at the moment.”

The party itself described Bareiss’s statement as “scandalous,” saying, “If Germany starts buying gas from Russia again, it would mean rewarding President Vladimir Putin for his war of aggression.”

Sources speaking to Bild newspaper previously reported that Richard Grenell, the former US Ambassador to Berlin and currently Trump’s special envoy, had traveled unofficially to Switzerland a number of times to discuss the commissioning of Nord Stream 2.

The headquarters of Nord Stream 2 AG, the operator of the pipeline, is located in this country.

The sources claimed that the American side wanted to mediate the supply of Russian gas to Germany, but only at the level of private companies.

Prior to this, sources interviewed by the Financial Times had said that Matthias Warnig, the former CEO of Nord Stream 2 AG, was trying to reactivate Nord Stream 2 with the help of an American investor consortium that had drafted an agreement with Gazprom if sanctions were lifted.

A former senior US official familiar with the matter said, “The US will say, ‘Russia can be trusted now because there are reliable Americans involved.'”

The official added that if everything goes well, American investors will start making money “without doing anything.”

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Europe plans for US absence in NATO with 5-10 year strategy

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Europe’s major military powers are formulating plans to assume greater responsibility for the continent’s defense, reducing reliance on the United States.

According to a report in the Financial Times (FT), these discussions are driven by fears of a unilateral US withdrawal from NATO, exacerbated by repeated threats from former President Donald Trump to weaken or abandon the transatlantic alliance. The aim is to avoid the chaos that such a withdrawal could cause.

Four European officials familiar with the matter indicated that Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the Scandinavian countries are among those engaged in these informal discussions.

The FT reports that their objective is to devise a plan that shifts the financial and military burden towards European capitals. The intention is to present this plan to the US before NATO’s annual leaders’ summit in The Hague in June.

The proposal would include firm commitments from Europe to increase defense spending and enhance military capabilities, with the goal of persuading Trump to accept a gradual handover that would allow the US to focus more on Asia.

Since Trump’s election, countries such as Germany, France, and the UK have moved to increase defense spending or accelerate already planned increases. The EU has also launched initiatives to boost military investments among its member states.

Officials estimate that it would take approximately 5 to 10 years of increased spending to elevate Europe’s capabilities to a level where they could replace most US competencies, excluding US nuclear deterrence.

One source stated, “Increasing spending is our only leverage: burden-sharing and moving away from dependence on the US. We are beginning these discussions, but the task is so enormous that many are overwhelmed by its magnitude.”

While US diplomats have assured their European counterparts that Trump will remain committed to NATO membership and Article 5’s mutual defense clause, many European capitals worry that the White House might rapidly reduce troop or equipment deployments or withdraw from NATO’s joint missions.

Officials noted that some capitals are hesitant to participate in burden-sharing talks, fearing it might encourage the US to act more quickly, while others believe that despite Trump’s rhetoric, he does not intend to make significant changes to the US presence in Europe.

Others are skeptical that the Trump administration, given its unpredictable nature, would even agree to a structured process.

One official questioned, “You need an agreement with the Americans, and it’s not clear whether they will be willing to do that. Can you even trust that they would stick to an agreement?”

Officials highlight ongoing and regular discussions, led by France and Britain, about establishing a “coalition of the willing” to support Ukraine in its war against Russia and to invest in European defense.

These discussions among more than ten European defense powers do not include the US.

When asked what a European pillar within NATO would mean and whether it is feasible, a senior Western official responded, “We are seeing it now: the UK and France are taking the initiative [on a guarantee force for Ukraine] without the Americans.”

NATO officials argue that maintaining the alliance with less or no US involvement is much simpler than creating a new structure, given the difficulty of recreating or renegotiating the existing military plans, capability targets, rules, command structure, and Article 5 for the continent’s defense.

Officials stated that for Europe’s core defense, the UK and other Atlantic maritime powers, the Scandinavian countries for the north of the continent, and Türkiye for the southeast defense will always be needed.

Marion Messmer, a research fellow in international security at Chatham House, noted, “Even without the US, NATO provides a structure for security cooperation in Europe. There are aspects that would need to be replaced if the US were to leave. But it provides a framework and infrastructure that Europeans are really familiar with. It does so much of the work that you would have to do from scratch if you were just setting up a different type of structure for just European members.”

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Scholz comments on İmamoğlu’s detention

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz made a statement regarding the detention of Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu.

According to DW Türkçe, Scholz, speaking at the beginning of the summit that brought EU leaders together in Brussels on Thursday, said, “Allow me to address an issue that is very important to me on a current occasion. In recent years, we have made great efforts to further develop relations between Europe and Türkiye. In this context, the detention of Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu, a centrally important opposition politician, is a very, very bad sign.”

“This development is upsetting for Turkish democracy as well as for the relations between Europe and Türkiye,” Scholz said, calling on Türkiye to allow a policy where “the opposition and the government are in competition” and “the opposition is not held accountable in the judiciary.”

Scholz later shared these words in English on his personal social media account.

Yesterday, the German Foreign Ministry also stated about the detention of İmamoğlu and his colleagues, “It is a heavy blow to democracy in Türkiye. Protecting the rights of the people’s elected representatives is an important part of supporting the rule of law.”

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